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like this okay

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hi hey guys if you can see this right

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now i just want to welcome you to the

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disclosure

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team youtube channel it's been a long

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day we've been on instagram live we've

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been doing other lives but

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tonight we have a very very special

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panel discussion

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with some of my favorite people in this

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subject

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from uap media uk we have

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dave partridge from shadows of your mind

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magazine we have

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mr dan zetterstrom aka the signal guys

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welcome cheering for dave for the

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channel now listen we might be moving

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our microphone

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microphone around a bit but i just want

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to make sure that you guys can hear us

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but

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thank you so much for joining us tonight

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it means the world to me

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so it's a pleasure to be honest

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i can actually say i am fanboying out a

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little bit right now because me too

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i've been following you both of you guys

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work for some time

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dave your magazine um we just spoke

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off-screen it reminds me of my days in

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the 90s

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um reading skateboard magazines and

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stuff and it gives me that vibe of

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this is where i go for my information

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and my interviews and stuff

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dan we have spoken before but you are

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one of the purest souls in this subject

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like so yeah every time i even get an

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opportunity to speak to you it is

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nothing but a pleasure so thank you both

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for joining us tonight and

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josh is here visiting me and said we got

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a full uk

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panel going on so thank you

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thank you thank you for having us um i i

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will say as well that i messaged andy

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just to make sure that he

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he didn't have like a spare 10 minutes

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and he's looking after a baby

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so in the interest of you know keeping

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it alive and stuff

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he's going to focus on that but he sends

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his regards and

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said that he would uh he would come on

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any other time

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that is so good of you i am

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scared a little bit of only because he

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does such a good job

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like he is again you guys again are that

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next level that i

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aspire to um andy i just i i i i admit

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i'm genuinely scared for the work that

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that guy does like i am not even close

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to that level so i apologize to andy for

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not reaching out

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but i thank you dan for reaching out on

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my behalf

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i would love to have the full uap media

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uk team

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here for a discussion so maybe in the

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future we can do that but i think we may

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also be joined right now with uh mr

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graham rendell

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graham can you hear us yeah can can you

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hear me now yeah

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you loud and clear i'm sorry it's having

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some connection problems i live out in

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the country so

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uh things aren't exactly uh exactly

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great in terms of modern technology

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we're still using that we still have

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i'm personally a big fan so thank you

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pleasure no we we're just saying right

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then to dave and dan like and myself we

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research to put myself out on a platform

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and

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you know put myself into this community

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you were the guys that

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were on my radar and now i'm getting the

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opportunity to speak to you guys and

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have personal contact with

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i cannot thank you enough for the work

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that you've done in inspiring me for

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where i go from here do you know what i

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mean so

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thank you all so much um and this

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conversation tonight

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can go anywhere there's no preconceived

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notions there's no

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agendas i've got questions for all of

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you but it

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let's just flow with it so has anyone

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got has anyone got anything they want to

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want to start off well

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i did want to say that um bizarrely

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if it hadn't been for um the lockdown

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at the start of last year then um uap

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media uk wouldn't exist

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wow and shadows of your mind wouldn't

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have come back

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wow so bizarrely because we all had

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nothing else to do

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yeah uh when we just board off our tits

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i need to you know that's it come back

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into it and see what happens

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the inspiration behind it and was

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covered kind of like the kickstarter

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then to

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start this movement often is that what

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what you wanted to do

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no i think it was seen another um scotsy

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wearing story

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in the daily express or the downhill you

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with him and his um rock paintings on

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mars

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or shadows on shadows in antarctica that

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look like iron man

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yeah it was um andy and dan who actually

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kicked it all off

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right um and i'll leave dan to explain

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go on dad go on well it's kind of like

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i don't know if you guys ever heard of

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the the chain of screaming

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where it's kind of like you know your

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boss in work will scream at you then you

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come home and you scream at your loved

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ones and then those loved ones scream at

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the dog and it's like this big chain of

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screaming

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this whole community is like this big

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chain of kind of

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buoyancy and helping each other because

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it was actually ryan sprague

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or sprague i always mix his name up you

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know i and

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i tried to learn it so many times i'd

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say ryan sprague

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yeah i think it's great yeah i'm going

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to say ryan i'm just going to stick with

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because i i listened to

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ryan's work for ages and you know now

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it's awesome to be able to talk about

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him as a friend

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um but it was actually his conversations

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uh i think it's rogue planet um where

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uh it's like jason mcallen and they

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occasionally have a few other people

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and they all kind of have their own

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thing but they kind of come together to

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you know a a uap megazord and they have

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all these kind of different

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skills that they bring to the table and

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really different viewpoints as well you

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know you probably won't agree with all

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of them

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but together they they really do

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none of them could do on their own and

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that was kind of the the inspiration for

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for uap media yeah

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but i mean i could pick every one of you

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three guys out right now and start

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asking questions a million questions too

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i'm gonna almost roulette it and go

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go to graham randall graham uh and i

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suppose one of the reasons is that we've

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kind of almost crossed past a few times

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through shows that we've been on and

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stuff but behind the scenes

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like i've followed your work as well as

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everyone else's

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thoroughly absolutely thoroughly and i

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can honestly say that you've done

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you've helped me out through through

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work i've been doing and

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i think that do you mind if we touch on

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some of the older stuff as far as

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like world war ii and the foo fighters

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go because go ahead no i'm not happy

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for anything i feel like that stuff

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doesn't get talked about enough now

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because we're so focused on all the

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stuff that's happening right now with

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you know all the cases going from 2004

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2019 and stuff but

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can you start us off on just a little

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lead about

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your work in that in that field yeah

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sure thank you

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like everybody else i think people are

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looking for a niche that can

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not exploit but something they can

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actually get their teeth into um and

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something that they can be you know they

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can almost feel like they're relevant to

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the community

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because we see a lot of people sort of

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just like either feeding off each other

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or just parenting the same sort of stuff

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whereas you know you guys in disclosure

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team you're you're coming up with some

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really good work

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and everybody and everybody who i saw at

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uap media before i was invited to join

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we're doing exactly the same thing that

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we're coming out with some great

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great content and research and and you

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know people like andy doing the the um

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the podcast dave with the magazine and

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andy's podcast and all the stuff that

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adam's doing behind the scenes

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and i just thought you know it's

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difficult when you're on the outside

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sometimes to actually find out not a way

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into this sort of thing but just to

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become relevant

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otherwise you're either consuming the

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information or you're just

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sort of just floating around the outside

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not really doing anything not really

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contributing in a positive way

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background in in kind of world war two

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like you know historical um information

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and looking at that and i've got

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obviously an interest in aviation that's

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gone back since i was four-year-old

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right and also this interest in ufos

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um eight or nine everything sort of

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with foo fighters and i can't really i

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mean i have said different things

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different people about how it started it

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just sort of start in the same general

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just when those things collided in 2017

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um and i felt i can find something here

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and it was just trying to find something

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that i could actually write about

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and i started writing about the aviation

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side of things for the debrief

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um i'll be not entirely ufo related

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and i did a few articles for them but

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all my all the other times i was looking

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for

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a kind of way to just to contribute

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where i wasn't just doing the same as

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everybody else was doing

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um and i pitched something to dave um

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last

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and we're talking the phone

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yeah that was like actually the calvin

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article what do you believe

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actually and it got held up what do you

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believe it got held over didn't it

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oh yeah i kept on the back burner for

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months yeah

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it could have gone out three ages ago um

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over and held over so

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it's finally gone out so i'm pleased

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about that but obviously

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that was something i managed to get my

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teeth into and i could i could bring a

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little bit of knowledge you know that i

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had for that

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um but the foo fighters really was just

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as you say is

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it's a neglected part of the ufo sort of

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you know

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the of the the legend that's built up

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about what goes on

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and actually it was built on a myth as

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well because

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the more i looked at it the more i could

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tell that it was wrong

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that all this thing about it all starts

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in november 1944 well actually it

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doesn't

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it goes on much before that it goes back

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to 1940

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so um that was a story that i felt

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that nobody had told people have looked

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at it

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and there have been books in the past

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which have touched upon it

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but not um in the kind of depth i would

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have liked to see

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because you know when you read a book

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sometimes and you think they're missing

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something or

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this is not the book if i was going to

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write this book i think i might have

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included something more

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and yours finally you sometimes feel

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like you're a bit you know

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you're still lacking in something and

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you come away from a book thinking

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yeah there's a mis opportunity missed

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here that might sound arrogant jesus

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yeah

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rather than just write a book about

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encounters and about the

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the bare facts i've tried to weave a

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kind of

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a bit more knowledge into it to show why

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they can't be

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um german missile systems or german jet

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aircraft and all the rest of it i've

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tried to bring the knowledge i've got of

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those particular things

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into this narrative that i've basically

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set up to say that it started a lot

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earlier

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and it was much more widespread than

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people think from

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the books that they've read and and the

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magazine articles and the youtube

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channels and all the rest of it

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so yeah that's that's where i'm coming

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from basically that is incredible and

343
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that is exactly

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why i love you graeme and you know i've

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i've been following you for quite some

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time and

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i do feel that that subject gets um it

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gets looked at

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and they look at the foo fighters but

350
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like you said it just needs to go that

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little bit

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further beyond exactly and look into a

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little bit of the background like

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work out what's going on um behind that

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and um

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man i think we could talk about this for

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hours but

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uh let's move on to uh mr dave partridge

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dave

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thank you so much for agreeing to join

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me as well

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because i have um

363
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i picked up on the magazine probably

364
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before i was aware of uap media uk

365
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i'm the same as well and it was

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something that that i'd been missing

367
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because um even though it may be

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something online i was flicking through

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it like i felt like i was

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a teenager again looking through a

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glossy magazine that gave me the

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information that i needed every month or

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every few months or whatever it is but

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how do you how did you find that that

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worked or

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um contributed when you're dealing with

377
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the fact that it's not in print it's in

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in in a

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in like a virtual format that it really

380
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is competitive or maybe not competitive

381
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but no one else is doing it

382
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um well the only reason it is digital is

383
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because i can't afford to print it

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but it could it could be something huge

385
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makes a lot of sense when

386
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you say it yeah um yeah you know

387
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it's not a full-time thing it's a

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part-time thing i dedicate

389
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maybe a couple of couple of hours you

390
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know every other night to it

391
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i find that so hard to believe because

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it looks like something that is

393
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the research to death and research to

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death yeah the biggest the best

395
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publication that probably i've ever seen

396
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through the 90s and stuff when we're

397
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talking about

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music magazines my background

399
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skateboarding magazines and

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and things like that is just absolutely

401
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incredible and if you're telling me that

402
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that's a few hours work

403
00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:16,069
he's being coy like most creature

404
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projects

405
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his brain never stops thinking about it

406
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yeah

407
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day

408
00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:25,200
yeah it is a little bit more but

409
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actually physically working on it

410
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is you know it doesn't take up a lot of

411
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my time because

412
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i have a full-time job i have other

413
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responsibilities as well so

414
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i do it when i can fit it in yeah um

415
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i mean going back to the 90s

416
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i used to subscribe to ufo magazine

417
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which was

418
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um from quest international and was run

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by graham and mark bertsell

420
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yeah i mean that was the ufo magazine to

421
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i had tickets to the conferences up in

422
00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:01,199
leeds as well but i was never able to go

423
00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:03,120
um and unfortunately grain bursts will

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die to a heart attack

425
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and they ended up closing the mag

426
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,040
because no one was willing to take it on

427
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um and these days you've got out of

428
00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:13,199
limits magazine

429
00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:16,480
phenomena magazine and a ufo truth

430
00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:17,920
magazine as well and those were the only

431
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ones i could

432
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:21,920
see in the uk but there was

433
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there was definitely a gap um i mean

434
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:26,320
where they were more

435
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kind of report and contributor-led there

436
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:30,959
was no

437
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kind of interviews with people

438
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you know such as jeremy corbell linda

439
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molten hair richard dolan

440
00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:39,440
there was no one actually doing

441
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interviews like you would find in a

442
00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:43,440
skate mag or a music mag i mean i worked

443
00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:46,000
on total guitar magazine for six years

444
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:46,560
wow

445
00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:50,800
um you know we were kind of like

446
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:54,000
as far as music mags go we kind of

447
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:57,040
sat ourselves next to karang

448
00:15:00,069 --> 00:14:59,279
because toby tyler was like a tablature

449
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:00,079
teach yourself

450
00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:03,360
guitar magazine i just want to say that

451
00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:05,680
back when i was a teenager i probably

452
00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:07,680
like i definitely bought that magazine

453
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:11,199
so i probably learned tabs from dave

454
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:14,320
i i did music gcse at school because all

455
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:15,120
my friends

456
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:17,199
read that magazine and said for your

457
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extra like

458
00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:19,920
curricular thing that it doesn't really

459
00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:21,360
matter you need to come and do music

460
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,240
with us

461
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:24,480
and they will have that magazine like

462
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the

463
00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:27,440
black guy oh it's great i mean i've

464
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:29,040
worked on nature and during the golden

465
00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:29,839
years

466
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:32,639
um when you know rock music and new

467
00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:33,120
metal

468
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:36,480
and you know the new wave of kind of the

469
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:38,000
younger british male bands were coming

470
00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:39,600
through i bought it for my valentine and

471
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:40,720
bring me the horizon

472
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:43,920
and you know all those kind of bands um

473
00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:46,000
the darkness when they first started out

474
00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:49,440
i remember that so well

475
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:52,320
they have disappeared now 2003 something

476
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:53,199
like that

477
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:56,560
kind of

478
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:00,399
um you know we were like the

479
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,959
kind of like the rebel teenager yeah

480
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:04,160
compared to all the other guitar

481
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:05,680
magazines and that's what i want to

482
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,600
challenge your mind to be compared to

483
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:09,440
you know all the other ufo magazines so

484
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:12,160
like yeah phenomena magazine which is

485
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:15,680
um read by millions worldwide um

486
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:17,920
and there i see them as kind of like the

487
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:20,639
melody maker or the uh the rolling stone

488
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:23,759
right that kind of alternative yeah

489
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:26,480
i mean they'll cover you know subjects

490
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:27,680
that i won't cover

491
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:30,800
because i can't because i don't have

492
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:32,639
that knowledge base i mean

493
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:35,199
steve meyer who is the publisher of

494
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:37,120
phenomena magazine he has got such a

495
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:38,399
background in this

496
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:40,639
community that you know he's just

497
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:41,839
started um

498
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:43,759
the new search from richard dolan 32

499
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:48,470
on youtube i saw that interview with the

500
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:50,000
guy and he's just like

501
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,600
so blase about something like

502
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:56,160
32 episodes of an hour long or whatever

503
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:57,360
it is it's like

504
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:59,120
hang on a minute like that that is

505
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:01,519
absolutely crazy like

506
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,519
you know and i think dolan even came to

507
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:05,520
the uk to record a lot of that stuff

508
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:09,360
and it's like wait a minute like

509
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:11,600
like we're we're blowing our minds here

510
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:12,559
about how you

511
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,400
produce something like that like that is

512
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,319
really gonna be well i hope it's gonna

513
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:17,679
be

514
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:19,839
something you know i know like 15

515
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,199
minutes each episode

516
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:24,240
yes he came over for awakening expo

517
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:28,160
back in 2019 um and i was

518
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:29,679
in a hotel bar with him until like three

519
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,080
in the morning um him and tracy that was

520
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:34,640
that was incredible that is a story man

521
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:35,360
i mean

522
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:38,240
i was i was thinking about like a lot of

523
00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,600
people have been giving dolan a bit of

524
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:41,360
grief recently and i think

525
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:43,039
he did he did a conference recently with

526
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:45,520
louis luzondo where it was a kind of

527
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,960
the thing with the um the observation

528
00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:50,640
deck yeah and that kind of that

529
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:52,960
ruffled a few feathers and unfortunately

530
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:54,320
i wasn't able to join it

531
00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:56,640
and so i didn't see it but i think i

532
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:57,760
really bothered some people it

533
00:18:01,669 --> 00:18:00,000
automatically put a negative

534
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,679
perspective on richard dolan and i think

535
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:03,360
that was unwarranted

536
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,430
and he still continues to do some great

537
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,960
stuff too yeah it does

538
00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:13,039
but in this current climate you know you

539
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:14,720
can't get to ufo conferences so they've

540
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,000
had to move online

541
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:18,000
exactly contacts in the desert had major

542
00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:19,520
problems when they did

543
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:21,679
that we saw that that was days of

544
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:22,960
problems with

545
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:25,280
issues and stuff i mean hundreds of

546
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,240
dollars worth of

547
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:28,400
lost revenue or whatever it turned out

548
00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:30,320
to be i mean it was

549
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:34,400
it was it was um it was a disaster

550
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:36,960
but yeah it was hopefully next year we

551
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:37,840
can go back to

552
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:40,480
actually everyone meeting up in one room

553
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:40,960
and

554
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:45,600
watching someone speak on stage with a

555
00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:47,360
powerpoint do you see that happening in

556
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:50,000
the uk next year

557
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:51,919
you'd like to hope so i mean awakening

558
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:53,520
was supposed to happen this year

559
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,080
um and so was the outfit limits magazine

560
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,679
conference as well up in hull

561
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,039
um they were going to have the concealer

562
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,440
twins and um

563
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:03,120
i think peter robbins was going to come

564
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:04,960
over and

565
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:07,360
jennifer stein who produced the travis

566
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:08,559
walton documentary

567
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:10,960
yeah okay so that that would have been a

568
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:12,960
really good conference to go to as well

569
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:15,679
um but i think next year yeah we'll see

570
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,480
um

571
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:18,080
kind of like a return to normal where we

572
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,760
can all meet up and have a

573
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:21,760
you know a drink in between speakers so

574
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,880
i hope so

575
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,720
so much i mean it's been nice being

576
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,080
joshua today we've been

577
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:28,320
communicating for months on end but to

578
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:29,440
be able to actually meet guys like

579
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:30,480
yourselves yeah

580
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:34,640
dan to interact with other researchers

581
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:37,280
is you know in terms of the uk it's it's

582
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,000
so important

583
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,760
we need to get together and just cook

584
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,679
you know and just share ideas and

585
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,960
collaborate i think it's really

586
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:44,640
important for us to do that and so i

587
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,600
hope it does happen

588
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:47,520
going forward i still think we should

589
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:49,039
all go camping in the cotswolds

590
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,840
somewhere

591
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,480
no no no no let's let's go just go to

592
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,760
wales man i spent a week

593
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,600
oh yeah let's do that a week and then

594
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:58,720
yeah i i found a newfound love for wales

595
00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:59,440
last week

596
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:02,240
it was something that i i i didn't even

597
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:03,120
feel like i was

598
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:06,799
in the uk it was beautiful

599
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,919
it was hot yeah yeah so um do you know

600
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:11,360
gavin and stacy

601
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:15,440
yes literally there you go

602
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,480
he's the only one in the village

603
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,240
he's the only ufo researcher in the

604
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,240
village but you know but like

605
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,600
i honestly i i i feel for place whales

606
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,039
to be better

607
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,120
i was lucky because i i went out there

608
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,559
and dan sent me these articles about

609
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,480
wales being a hot spot on that so

610
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,880
it automatically piqued me to go out

611
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:38,480
every evening when

612
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:40,159
my daughter was in bed and stuff to go

613
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:41,520
and look in the skies and

614
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,640
so dan thank you because it really did

615
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:46,559
give me that little thing i had this

616
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,320
article i kept referring back to

617
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,720
and yeah i think wales is actually more

618
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:52,400
important than a lot of people realize

619
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,280
as far as

620
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,960
historical cases as well and we're not

621
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:56,400
just talking about pentok and things

622
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:57,360
like that

623
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,640
you know so the welsh triangle yeah

624
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:03,520
can can any of you guys like give us any

625
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,559
information on any

626
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,400
historic welsh cases because i think

627
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:08,799
they're out there

628
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:11,679
so it's funny you say that because dave

629
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:12,559
messaged me

630
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,029
and we were talking about that there are

631
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:23,679
no kind of modern

632
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:26,960
welsh focused ufo books basically

633
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,640
um so maybe in the future i i don't

634
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,240
don't go any further don't get yourself

635
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,440
in trouble

636
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:35,039
yeah i won't i won't i think things are

637
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,890
in the works

638
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,280
[Music]

639
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,320
yeah my my one one of the

640
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,679
cases that sticks out to me that i

641
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:43,520
always like to talk about was um

642
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,720
i think it's three trips bay um

643
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,039
and basically there was witness the

644
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:50,880
craft going through

645
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:54,000
rock um which is you know it's only

646
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,600
quick sighting but it's another take on

647
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,440
trans medium that we really don't talk

648
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,640
about a lot you know

649
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,559
solids are pretty important we keep

650
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,240
talking about undersea bases but if that

651
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,080
seafloor isn't a solid to them then

652
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:08,640
it's a different conversation makes a

653
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:10,840
lot of sense that three clips

654
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,320
yeah where was that so that went

655
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,440
back insane went through rock

656
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,440
is that what you said uh yeah yeah yeah

657
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:20,960
am i getting the place wrong dave

658
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,080
correct me if i am there was a

659
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,280
similar story in

660
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:29,760
stacks rock just off um instant brights

661
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,320
bay

662
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:33,360
in 78 i think in the whole

663
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:36,559
broadhaven the different enigma you know

664
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,280
those

665
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,760
areas so i'm probably mixing up the name

666
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:40,720
right yeah

667
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,760
it's kind of got like this big overhang

668
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,200
that you can kind of it might be right

669
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,720
it's really cool yeah mike right i've

670
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,000
just never heard that one before

671
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:50,159
so i'm gonna look that one up i'm to be

672
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:51,520
honest i'm probably

673
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,430
but yeah i mean it's the broadhaven

674
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,520
little haven sightings of

675
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,520
the late 70s you know you got the

676
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,440
broadhaven primary school

677
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:13,120
interaction where all the kids were in

678
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,480
the playground

679
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,720
playing football and they see something

680
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,559
over in the next field coming up behind

681
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,600
the trees or

682
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,400
sorry coming down and one kid goes

683
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,679
inside to

684
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,159
you know tell the teacher quick quick

685
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:27,440
something in the next field

686
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,039
and some of the accounts vary as they do

687
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,039
in the aerial school

688
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:36,240
encounter absolutely some

689
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:39,760
people saw it being hop over the fence

690
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:40,080
or

691
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,559
the fence over the style

692
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,679
um but he never approached them

693
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:50,640
but you have all these primary school

694
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,120
children

695
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,799
drawing pictures of what they saw and

696
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,720
they're all kind of similar

697
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:56,159
so they are similar some of them have

698
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,440
got lights on the top some of them

699
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,120
haven't someone got the figure next to

700
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,799
it someone got a ladder so we've got a

701
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:02,559
ramp um

702
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,919
i mean debunkers will say that it's a

703
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,080
chrome tanker that went to the local

704
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,919
sewage plant

705
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,000
um but these these kids are like

706
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,480
children of farmers and miners who have

707
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,720
no interest in hopes in you know like

708
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,960
fine sorcery pores

709
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,240
yeah you're in like pembrokes you're in

710
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,720
the 1970s it's you know flying sources

711
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,240
are the last thing on your mind

712
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,240
yeah um and you've got the cases at

713
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:27,600
ripperston farm

714
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,120
um you know we got by location of a

715
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,400
whole herd of cattle

716
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,760
apparently um the farmer

717
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,760
locks them up for the night he's going

718
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:39,120
back to the house here's the phone

719
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,000
ringing

720
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,679
he answers the phone and he's his

721
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,279
neighbor a mile down the road saying oh

722
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,840
you're casually in my carriages

723
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,320
you come and get out it's like you know

724
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,760
that from the time he

725
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:52,080
took to lock them up and then got back

726
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,600
to his house

727
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:56,880
yeah right now this just went

728
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,720
oh yeah does the welsh roswell as well

729
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,679
in 19 january 1974 which happened on

730
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,120
berwin mountain which is

731
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:08,240
north east yeah north east wales uh i

732
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,799
think my

733
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,480
yeah i think that geography is right uh

734
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,320
so that was it was the nurse who saw

735
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:14,640
um or saw something land or she was

736
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,520
called out

737
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,600
wasn't she um to go or she was driving

738
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,960
out with a daughter or something

739
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,880
uh and so and there's a few other people

740
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,159
saw something land up on

741
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,279
on a hill or in a cleft in a hill

742
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,360
um but it's been attributed to an

743
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,039
earthquake and a meteor

744
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:31,520
together at the same time you're right

745
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,320
yeah the same

746
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,559
an earthquake together yeah i mean

747
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,440
apparently

748
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:37,840
at the same time also a smurf was born

749
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,310
they have their own roswell anyway from

750
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,679
1974

751
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,200
yeah and then you've got obviously the

752
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,440
swansea knight of the triangles in the

753
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:54,799
early 80s as well

754
00:25:59,960 --> 00:25:57,279
yeah um was it the early 80s or the late

755
00:25:59,970 --> 00:26:03,590
[Music]

756
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,350
i think it was the 80s that one yeah it

757
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:06,960
was a little late

758
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:10,000
but john davis um he

759
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,279
knows more about that because he was

760
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,120
kind of

761
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,880
he's spoken to a few people in around

762
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,120
that area at the time and

763
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,120
you know it's just one of these things

764
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,120
where you don't expect

765
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,400
a country like wales to be a hot spot

766
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,120
for ufo sightings in comparison to what

767
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:28,799
goes on in the states and brazil

768
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,559
and you know russia and italy and france

769
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,880
you know wales is just it's currently

770
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:36,240
forgotten about

771
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,600
yeah it is and that's the thing but

772
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,440
that's like i was just saying i was away

773
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,279
last week and dan sent me the article

774
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,120
and i was like

775
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,600
whales is a hot spot like the right

776
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:46,640
place we have like

777
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,480
stand out so on google maps you can

778
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,880
oh well on the internet you can get the

779
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,480
data set and bring it into google maps

780
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,720
and look at all the electromagnetic and

781
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,640
graphic anomalies kind of around the

782
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,520
planet and there is consistently

783
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,640
this kind of huge uh positive anomaly

784
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,720
over basically swansea and broadhaven

785
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,159
and all that area and the same with

786
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,600
north wales as well that kind of

787
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,200
stretches across the channel

788
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,279
where a lot of you know irish sightings

789
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,720
will kind of see the craft coming in

790
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,919
from that uh

791
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,760
that area of ocean between the two

792
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,120
countries i was going to say does it

793
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:20,000
involve the ocean

794
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,279
off the coast as well but obviously

795
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,880
you've just clarified that and i think

796
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,399
that's vital

797
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,799
yeah for sure at the time of the sorry

798
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,760
then

799
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:30,000
at the time of the broad haven sightings

800
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,039
you had

801
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,080
a us presence around there

802
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:37,200
because there was raf ballsy and the

803
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,799
united states had set up a um a naval

804
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,360
observation station and they were laying

805
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,200
cable through some bright bay

806
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,320
into the um into the irish sea to check

807
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,080
for well to search for

808
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,120
russian submarines also they claimed but

809
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,559
it could have been like

810
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,919
you know the activity that was around

811
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,679
there it could have been searching for

812
00:28:03,029 --> 00:27:59,360
usos who knows

813
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,039
of course yeah we don't hear about it

814
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:04,880
either very often at all in any report

815
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,279
that i

816
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,000
i kind of dig into the data becomes very

817
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,840
vague when you touch upon the details of

818
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,360
cases like that from where

819
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,360
where i've gone through for what i've

820
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,200
seen through mod documents and stuff

821
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,559
like that so

822
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:19,039
yeah i find that very intriguing isn't

823
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,480
there a lot of naturally

824
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:23,440
uh produced uranium in wales as well in

825
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,399
the rocks

826
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,960
that is a connection i i was just gonna

827
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,640
bring up the mining connection you know

828
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,159
whales is very much a

829
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,640
mining country if you look at it um kind

830
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,200
of

831
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:35,760
topographically as well that was like

832
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:36,559
close to

833
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,440
the uranium mine yeah yeah

834
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,279
for sure we're basically a bunch of

835
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,880
people kind of clinging on to this big

836
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:46,559
mountain we call wales

837
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,159
um and yeah it's just full of minds

838
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:52,320
and the whole culture here is is kind of

839
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,440
based around it you know

840
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,080
i still have friends who they they have

841
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,360
possessions

842
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,039
from their grandad that kind of

843
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,120
treasured family possessions because

844
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,880
they granddad you know used the light

845
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:04,720
down in the mine or something like that

846
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,600
um so yeah big ufo activity here big

847
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,640
mining

848
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,559
but i don't think they weren't uranium

849
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,640
mines i think uranium

850
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:15,600
byproducts possibly especially in wales

851
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:16,399
they weren't

852
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,679
you know high consistency of just

853
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:22,000
uranium it was maybe because it is a

854
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:22,799
byproduct of

855
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:27,039
other minerals possibly because there is

856
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,559
a um big copper mining industry around

857
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,360
swansea

858
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,120
exactly i think that's where it kind of

859
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,720
made its money yeah

860
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,919
i think that's the same in things like

861
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:38,080
the ariel school case when people have

862
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:38,840
said they were

863
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:42,720
um uranium mines nearby and there's no

864
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,679
evidence of that

865
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,279
at all but that could have been an

866
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,039
interest about the uap that

867
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,640
visited there back in the day but there

868
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,039
were copper mines gold mines and other

869
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,600
precious metals yeah but the byproduct

870
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,840
of a lot of those metals was uranium so

871
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:57,120
there could be trace

872
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,559
things and that could possibly be the

873
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,159
same case in wales as well

874
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:03,919
so could be have you seen them

875
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:06,640
have you seen the new on the trail of

876
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:07,520
ufos

877
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,120
france and monsters i have yeah

878
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,279
very very interesting very very good

879
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,760
yeah yeah skype based in west virginia

880
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,600
yeah seth riedel of shannon grove going

881
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:19,039
out very very important

882
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,840
i appreciate that documentary seth

883
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,799
breedlove he brings up

884
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,440
the um coal mining industry and you know

885
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:27,039
around these towns in west virginia and

886
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:28,480
asking if there is a link

887
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,279
to the ufo sightings as well yeah i mean

888
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,279
when it came out friday didn't it

889
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,440
well i i i was lucky enough to have an

890
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:37,039
advanced screening about a month ago so

891
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,799
i've written a review of it that i'm

892
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:40,159
going to release in a few days but it

893
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:40,880
was

894
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:44,880
that

895
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,799
is just like almost like a town

896
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,640
focusing on that area that states and

897
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,080
stuff yeah

898
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,679
and again bringing in the minds you know

899
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,240
are these mines big enough to

900
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:58,559
accommodate something flying into or

901
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,519
flying out top

902
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:02,240
yeah and how far down do they go sure

903
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:03,279
yeah

904
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:07,120
great um breakaway from

905
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,320
everything that we've been seeing for

906
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:10,799
the last year or two from the mainstream

907
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,120
and

908
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,120
through everyone else trying to put this

909
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,519
uap subject on a grandiose scale rather

910
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,919
than focusing on small areas here and

911
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,600
there like this was a breath of fresh

912
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,320
air in a way

913
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:23,200
of course yeah it was needed almost yeah

914
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,600
i mean

915
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,039
that's what that's what they're good at

916
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,640
small town monsters i mean

917
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,799
yeah the mockman films that they've done

918
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,559
you know magazine must have been

919
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,440
the great just great i mean they just go

920
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,720
out and they get stories they collect

921
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,320
stories from the witnesses

922
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,399
they collect stories from the

923
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:39,360
researchers

924
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,440
don't get the attention

925
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,919
their history in the cryptozoology realm

926
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,320
is great and i never talk about that

927
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,200
because i i want to be you know uap

928
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,559
researchers but

929
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,240
i mean i could go back years looking

930
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,159
into cryptozoology bigfoot

931
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,000
mothman was something that scared me in

932
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,679
my teens when i first wrote about it

933
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,200
when i was about 12 or 13.

934
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,519
concept of a mothman it was like 40

935
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,960
years ago i read about that it was just

936
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,640
like oh and i was like hiding into the

937
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:08,159
covers

938
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,519
and it's one of those stories when you

939
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:11,039
still see witnesses talking about it now

940
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,440
that's

941
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,960
very little has changed from that

942
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,480
original testimony as well

943
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,519
and like yeah it's well i love it when i

944
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,519
first watched the mothman um you know

945
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,039
the prophecies in the film with richard

946
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,640
gere yeah yeah

947
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,799
yeah and the first bit where he's rang

948
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,399
by indrid cold

949
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,120
that name still like had chivas shivers

950
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,880
down my back my spine when i heard that

951
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,799
name again

952
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,640
that name crops up everywhere though not

953
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,240
even yes somebody in mothman but just

954
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:39,039
oh yeah it's true of the story like i

955
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,679
saw something

956
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,440
about a year ago and i can't even even

957
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,880
recall the name of the series but it

958
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:45,519
came up in harry potter oh wow

959
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:48,399
hell yeah yeah yeah that's it there you

960
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,960
go

961
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,519
um i i didn't even understand helia when

962
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,799
i watched it

963
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,720
and i felt like i didn't know what they

964
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:57,440
were getting at it was like a modern

965
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,080
day crypto something or other

966
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,159
freaked me out even george nap i mean

967
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,559
he's done he's done a video a couple of

968
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,320
days ago i think on mystery wire with

969
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,480
like the connection between the uap

970
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,440
and that the crypto um like there's like

971
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,880
a connection there he's done a video a

972
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,159
couple days ago about it

973
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,159
stuff possibly yeah with skin rocker

974
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,880
ranch as well yeah i mean

975
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,880
yeah i think that i'm a bit confused

976
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,000
about why that's coming back

977
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,559
in to the mainstream yes we've got um

978
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,880
brandon fugal and his tv series which

979
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,799
personally i found very intriguing and

980
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,080
interesting i think the work they're

981
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,840
doing was great

982
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,679
uh what do you guys think about that i

983
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,039
assume you've all seen that

984
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,200
so i know dan dan you're probably the

985
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,120
first person i i would love to speak to

986
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,480
that because of your absolutely

987
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,559
beautiful artwork that you did

988
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:47,120
about the uh the the mesa and stuff so

989
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:47,760
oh the

990
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,000
yeah yeah the the absolutely

991
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,480
thank you um i i enjoyed the second

992
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,679
season i think he could have done with

993
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,200
being a little bit shorter

994
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,799
um there were a couple of segments where

995
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:00,399
i was like uh they're gonna get a lot of

996
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:01,519
uh stick for this

997
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,679
yeah um but they were

998
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,960
you know on the balance of things there

999
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:08,960
were some incredible segments we had

1000
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,440
the ufo sighting from two different

1001
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,760
points of view you know we we had

1002
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,839
you know some triangulation data kind of

1003
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,280
there we also

1004
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,599
had the by the way graham and dave if

1005
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:21,119
you haven't seen this i'm totally

1006
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,710
go and watch it though no i'm good i've

1007
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,560
seen it

1008
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,639
the the bit where on homestead 2 where

1009
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:34,399
they kind of they they

1010
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:40,149
kind of falls down and yeah they're

1011
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,679
either forms that was super intriguing

1012
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,280
i i would just if i was them i would

1013
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,800
just be doing that every single night

1014
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,879
after that have you seen that

1015
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,000
they've got over the last couple of

1016
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,240
weeks it has been pretty brutal about

1017
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,639
how you need to take those same tests

1018
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,040
to a different location to be able to

1019
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,480
compare the data

1020
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,480
whereas you know you may be 10 miles

1021
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,000
away 20 miles away

1022
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,599
and you may still get that data from

1023
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:04,960
somewhere else just because of the

1024
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,760
equipment

1025
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:08,160
it may not be necessary to the the

1026
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,280
prayer and stuff

1027
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,480
um i kind of understand that to a degree

1028
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,160
but then i think they know what they're

1029
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,400
doing with travis taylor and stuff like

1030
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,160
that so i don't know

1031
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,320
well they were meant to be a website

1032
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,920
portal pro wasn't there that would kind

1033
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,599
of house all the data that we saw in the

1034
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,359
show but

1035
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,960
without that there's no way to

1036
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,720
corroborate what we're seeing on screen

1037
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,079
and it would it would go like you said

1038
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:31,760
it would go a long way to er it would

1039
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:32,160
really

1040
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:36,240
he's

1041
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,640
speak to you kind of

1042
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:43,680
thing it's worth mentioning that it's

1043
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,320
only been

1044
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,560
broadcast in the states at the moment

1045
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,839
but it is going to be on the history

1046
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,560
channel

1047
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,599
um in august august

1048
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:54,000
9th i think to be honest as well i think

1049
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,960
bran

1050
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,880
did an interview um from when we're

1051
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,720
doing this live last night on coast to

1052
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,480
coast with george knapp and i've yet to

1053
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:02,000
hear that so maybe

1054
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,839
um he did allude to talking about

1055
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,000
investigations current

1056
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:08,640
now i asked him the question today is

1057
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,440
that

1058
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:12,400
current as in season two the end of or

1059
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,040
is it stuff

1060
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,680
since then i think i think that's what

1061
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:17,440
needs to be clarified a little bit you

1062
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:17,760
know

1063
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,400
stuff and then come back but

1064
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,920
i think the time scale they should just

1065
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:25,920
leave the cameras on and let us watch

1066
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,480
them

1067
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,599
i would happily just sit there you know

1068
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,599
i would buy a screen and that would be

1069
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,200
my skinwalker screen

1070
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,720
i completely agree on yeah

1071
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,920
i mean what i want to know is what

1072
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:39,440
happened to the alpacas that they had

1073
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,850
there

1074
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:41,680
[Laughter]

1075
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,480
because in the first series we saw them

1076
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,839
being attacked by something

1077
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,720
and then you know they're not there

1078
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:49,520
anymore

1079
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,400
well that was the one bit that um i

1080
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,240
think was thomas where he said that he

1081
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:56,240
thought they they kind of drummed up the

1082
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:57,280
drama a bit

1083
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,640
um and it was the only bit he found

1084
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,320
distasteful because it

1085
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:03,119
he said it was basically just a predator

1086
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,760
attack

1087
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,320
so you know i'm jumping to conclusions

1088
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,440
but i would imagine they

1089
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,800
just moved them off because they were

1090
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,200
more susceptible than they thought

1091
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,640
yeah but the thing is as well we've seen

1092
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,720
interviews with dragon

1093
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,000
a lot outside of the show and stuff

1094
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,760
and even a few things with brandon fugle

1095
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,359
but

1096
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,119
not heard so much from thomas winterton

1097
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,200
as much so i think it's a little bit

1098
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,400
difficult to really pinpoint

1099
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,640
where the facts are coming from and i

1100
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,240
know brandon fugle has said that

1101
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,599
what you see on the screen from the

1102
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,119
series really is the fact they don't

1103
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,000
gloss over anything

1104
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:38,240
they don't dramatize it or hype it up

1105
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,200
but then

1106
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,720
you know all you have to do is take that

1107
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,200
on faith and is that enough

1108
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,480
is that enough of course it's going to

1109
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,280
be dramatization it's a tv show

1110
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,800
that's the bit that gets me i'm afraid

1111
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,040
from to be honest i haven't seen the

1112
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,280
first episode the first series at all

1113
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,839
um and i've only seen the second the

1114
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:57,359
first three or four from the second

1115
00:38:03,030 --> 00:37:58,000
series

1116
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:06,310
so um and i got to be honest

1117
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,280
there's a couple of them i got a bit

1118
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,960
bored with and i got a bit frustrated

1119
00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:10,880
with because i don't like this kind of

1120
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,200
history channel

1121
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:14,079
dramatization and the kind of thing

1122
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,200
where they look at each other

1123
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:17,839
and then there's a bit of a silence that

1124
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,069
after the break after they decide the

1125
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:25,760
male model kind of poses from the map

1126
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,160
from the

1127
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,880
the old catalogues going hmm like this

1128
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,480
kind of stuff and it really just pisses

1129
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,560
me off i'm afraid

1130
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,359
and then it's frustrating you hear you

1131
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,280
hear brandon fugal say that

1132
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,599
the cameras are just there they don't

1133
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,599
they don't make us do anything it's like

1134
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,960
yeah at the same time you've got to

1135
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:45,280
realize it's a tv show so of course

1136
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,240
they're gonna be dropped there's gonna

1137
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,920
be acting there's gonna be dramatization

1138
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
it's part it's it's

1139
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,640
it's it's part and parcel of the job

1140
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,079
unfortunately on tv

1141
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,920
so so i'll be the bad boy in the room

1142
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:55,280
and i'll take all the flack for all the

1143
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,000
negative

1144
00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:57,440
sort of comments about it that's fine i

1145
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,230
let's keep the uh the focus on you then

1146
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,320
one thing i did like one thing i did

1147
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,359
want to talk to you about and i'm going

1148
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:11,200
to completely flip the script and change

1149
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,240
the subject

1150
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,079
and bring it on to something that you've

1151
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:16,720
talked about a few times is the calvine

1152
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:17,200
case

1153
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,800
oh yes okay so what i get from the

1154
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,000
carving case is

1155
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,359
that we know that it's um or we did know

1156
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:26,880
or thought we knew

1157
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:30,400
that it has been re classified to

1158
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,000
2072 which i now believe is 2076.

1159
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,280
according to strafe wilson in the

1160
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,119
document that he used from the

1161
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,280
d which is shared at the weekend yes

1162
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,800
2076 now

1163
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,040
and that's come out of nowhere it has

1164
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,640
but what what what what seems to be the

1165
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,760
case is that all that

1166
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,680
all that does is protect the identities

1167
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,200
of the people rather than

1168
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,240
rather than the photographer evidence

1169
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,839
it's the guys who actually took the

1170
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:55,440
photo themselves so my

1171
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,640
question now is is it even real

1172
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,040
you know but yeah i mean i've talked

1173
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:03,040
with dr david clarke who

1174
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,560
helped me with with a part of the

1175
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,200
article about that particular issue

1176
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:09,599
about why it's been sort of sort of

1177
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:10,640
closed down until

1178
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,839
well 20 76 now um now he seems to

1179
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,520
believe it's simply just

1180
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:17,359
in terms of gdpr you know the data

1181
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,640
protection yeah and

1182
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,880
making sure that their identity and

1183
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,560
their names addresses

1184
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,400
aren't released to the public make sure

1185
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,079
they're dead

1186
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:28,079
well yeah in essence yes because after

1187
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,359
that time then they're going to be

1188
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,200
there could be a dead already and i say

1189
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,720
as much in the shadows article

1190
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,720
that you know they may have passed away

1191
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:36,160
and there have been attempts to try and

1192
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,960
contact them

1193
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,720
straight straight wilson himself has

1194
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,160
been one of the people who has tried

1195
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,640
to reach out violent local media where

1196
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:44,400
he lives to try and get them to come

1197
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,119
forward

1198
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,800
and of course you can think of various

1199
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,240
reasons why

1200
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,560
they may not want to come forward you

1201
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,440
know i mean

1202
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,599
the fivers here could come up with i'm

1203
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,280
sure some very very plausible

1204
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,440
explanations to why two people on a

1205
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,599
hillside might not want to come forward

1206
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,839
but you know but that's that's all just

1207
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,760
hearsay conjecture you know call it what

1208
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,560
you will

1209
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,720
um the true story this true story may

1210
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,839
never be known

1211
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,960
you know there's a whole lot of other

1212
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:10,720
stuff floating around in terms of like

1213
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,119
you know

1214
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,760
disagreements between the the the um the

1215
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,680
mod and the americans over what this

1216
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,640
might have been

1217
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:18,079
so there's a whole lot which i didn't

1218
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,520
really go into in the article because

1219
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,200
it's like again it's all kind of

1220
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:24,000
it's a bit sort of up in the air uh to

1221
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,280
kind of phrase but

1222
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,200
there's a there is a lot going on with

1223
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,960
it and but there's also

1224
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,319
sort of disagreements about the

1225
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,720
photographs because apparently it's only

1226
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,520
the negatives are

1227
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,680
really investigated the photographs have

1228
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,800
been lost

1229
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,359
so of course the negatives um the mods

1230
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,960
say they pass it back to the record

1231
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,400
the records say they've never received

1232
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:44,640
them again uh but why did the record

1233
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,119
just pass

1234
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,720
everything to them in the first place

1235
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,680
you know because they asked him for a

1236
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,280
comment and the model said oh can you

1237
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,880
send us the information oh yeah here you

1238
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,520
go and just pass it through

1239
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,960
what about the statement that it was a

1240
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,720
poster on the wall when

1241
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,720
nick was there well there's a there's

1242
00:42:02,950 --> 00:41:59,920
another phrase and

1243
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:02,960
you know yeah yeah

1244
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:05,839
there's some um some interesting faces

1245
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,640
developing around

1246
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,760
around the puddle here um yeah we don't

1247
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,040
know about that

1248
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,400
so the legend that uh mr pope has said

1249
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,240
is that he had this huge

1250
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,400
enlargement on his wall yeah of the

1251
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,599
photograph

1252
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,400
now you could presumably take i mean you

1253
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,760
can take a picture as long as you've

1254
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,960
done this kind of photography but you

1255
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,480
can take a picture from a negative

1256
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,319
and blow and you know enlarge it so it

1257
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:30,079
could be that way but it could also be

1258
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,520
just done from a photograph so

1259
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,200
and apparently photographs and negatives

1260
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,000
did go there but one way or another

1261
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,000
it disappeared if of course it was ever

1262
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,240
on the wall in the first place so

1263
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,319
i mean we i spoke to nick with uh max

1264
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,560
muskowitz about a week ago and he said

1265
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:46,160
that

1266
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,720
the wall we didn't really realize and

1267
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:53,040
we just got told to take it down and it

1268
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,760
just

1269
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,680
sounds a little bit blasey that's not

1270
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,520
the story yeah he's told a different

1271
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,520
story because he said he's manager

1272
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,359
but he came in one day and it was in his

1273
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,280
manager and put it in his drawer

1274
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,520
and folded it up so there there's

1275
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,720
various kind of

1276
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,520
stories around but they're essentially

1277
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,280
the same thing but not quite

1278
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,880
so you know it comes down to well

1279
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,640
actually what is the true story

1280
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,079
i mean i i i get the point where i

1281
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,400
probably don't doubt that he's seen it

1282
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,319
somehow because i think he might well

1283
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:23,680
have uh

1284
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,990
in the past week that people have sent

1285
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,560
to me that

1286
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,520
it make you really question that

1287
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,040
statement that he made about yeah it was

1288
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,640
just a poster on the wall we got told to

1289
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,760
take it down

1290
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,720
it's it's not as simple as that and it

1291
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,839
makes me wonder

1292
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,880
that's probably as far as i'm going to

1293
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,359
go with that statement so dad yeah

1294
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,400
he's kind of you know

1295
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:57,119
he he well the i didn't see the meteor

1296
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,839
and

1297
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,560
he's built for himself is the the uk's

1298
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,160
real life fox mulder

1299
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,520
yeah and that poster on malda's wall was

1300
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,000
it's iconic you know you see it you know

1301
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:09,839
exactly what show it's from

1302
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,800
um and most people who probably never

1303
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,839
watched the show would

1304
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,680
kind of know where it was from as well

1305
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,599
um so so i think it's just

1306
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,880
kind of one of these little pieces of

1307
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,599
myth indulged in narrative to kind of

1308
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,920
bolster a bigger story you know

1309
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:28,079
but not maliciously so i don't think

1310
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,960
just

1311
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,960
a little piece you know yeah no there's

1312
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,119
the other story as well that

1313
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,480
the modf offices are so supposed to be

1314
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,240
kept so clinical that you're not allowed

1315
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,000
any personal effects or

1316
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,520
you know not allowed to put posters up

1317
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,040
on your wall or

1318
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:45,280
you know any kind of decorative elements

1319
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,240
that

1320
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,280
humanize the office yeah

1321
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:52,480
um you know a bit like the tva in

1322
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,160
the loki series oh yeah supposed to be

1323
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:59,359
clean and that's it so that's the other

1324
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,000
reason

1325
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,680
that it may have been taken down is

1326
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,920
because you're not allowed any crap on

1327
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,720
the wall

1328
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,319
yeah but when we get into that realm of

1329
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:08,240
speculation it just becomes another

1330
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,200
story in the

1331
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:12,560
in another year in another

1332
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,960
realm of what it is this story has so

1333
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,960
many things wrong with it i mean i don't

1334
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,160
mean wrong in terms of

1335
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,880
it's a hoax just that there's there's

1336
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,079
problems about the witnesses

1337
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,440
the fact that they've got they've never

1338
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,839
come forward yeah so you have to work

1339
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,960
you have to wonder about

1340
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,119
what's the story with them there's a

1341
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:33,440
story of the craft itself whether it is

1342
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,079
something

1343
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,560
you know extraterrestrial or terrestrial

1344
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,920
or just something mundane

1345
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,480
albeit very very secret and is it

1346
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,160
american was it ours

1347
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,720
why were there why were the raf aircraft

1348
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,400
in concert with it or were they in

1349
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,079
concert with it where they just

1350
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,760
happened to be in the area but why were

1351
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,359
they flying around a part of scotland at

1352
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,280
a low level on a saturday night

1353
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,680
that makes no sense whatsoever and they

1354
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:57,040
weren't coming back from an air show or

1355
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:58,079
anything because they wouldn't that

1356
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,760
wouldn't be the route they'd use

1357
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,680
so it was a weird place i've actually

1358
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,520
put a fire in from

1359
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,000
recently just for the um into the low

1360
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,760
flying cell or the low flying squadron

1361
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,440
which books slots for low flying in

1362
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,640
parts of the country

1363
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,160
uh to see whether they've got any kind

1364
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,000
of records they can give me for that

1365
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,400
particular day uh just so i can maybe

1366
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,599
build up some kind of picture

1367
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,319
i don't expect anything uh i'm sure i

1368
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,839
can i can come up with excuses why they

1369
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:23,200
wouldn't give me the information but

1370
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,319
it's worth a try

1371
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,200
sure i've i've heard controversies on a

1372
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,960
similar scale with with the crossfit

1373
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,480
incident as well

1374
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,640
because of that kind of you know you get

1375
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,680
to that level of

1376
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,560
possibility but lack of evidence yeah

1377
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,240
then i've heard

1378
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,440
through people about the discomfort of

1379
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,119
the testimony from the witnesses who

1380
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,480
were there through the military saying

1381
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:48,710
again i i don't mean to i'm not calling

1382
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,760
out nick pope but

1383
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,440
he's misinterpreted something of what

1384
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,440
they've said as well and i know that's a

1385
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,880
case where it's

1386
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,480
it's not it's not got definitive

1387
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,400
evidence or anything and it's

1388
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,160
so many years have gone by that it

1389
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,440
becomes kind of

1390
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,760
storytelling rather than factual

1391
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,480
information

1392
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,240
um i don't know if you know anything

1393
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,760
about that graham but

1394
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:10,400
yeah i've i've heard the the story about

1395
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,119
it i've also

1396
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,119
got a book up here which tells a little

1397
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,960
bit more about it which i reviewed for

1398
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,839
shadows

1399
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,920
um but again it's one of those ones

1400
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:19,760
where you know you've got all these bits

1401
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,160
where

1402
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:22,240
you say you can't verify them you can't

1403
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,200
cooperate

1404
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:26,160
and it's just you've got you hit a dead

1405
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:26,960
end

1406
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,680
you do really don't you you get to a

1407
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,280
point where you can't go any further

1408
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,680
um you're a brick wall because the mod

1409
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,040
won't give the information

1410
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,880
or can't give you information whatever

1411
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,319
whichever way around it is

1412
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:40,160
and you just come to a just come to a

1413
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,359
grinding halt

1414
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,960
uh if you go back to calvinist sorry

1415
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:44,079
i'll just go back to california for a

1416
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,720
second

1417
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,079
you know you've got all those official

1418
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:48,000
styles that came out

1419
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,760
but they don't really tell you anything

1420
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,760
you've got that one little hint about

1421
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,760
you know the the the talk to jarek

1422
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,920
and they talked to four squadron about

1423
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,680
the actual image to see what kind of

1424
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:59,359
aircraft it was but as i was talking on

1425
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,839
you

1426
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:02,160
on um unidentified celebrity review on

1427
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,960
friday night

1428
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:05,359
you know it was a kind of well did the

1429
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:06,000
mod not

1430
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,599
know which aircraft they were you know

1431
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,200
why were they doing this investigation

1432
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,640
to try and find out which harriers are

1433
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,280
involved

1434
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,200
should they not know themselves and just

1435
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,839
hide it why they're making this kind of

1436
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,839
this fiction about trying to find out

1437
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,309
from that dysfunction doesn't make sense

1438
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,480
because it doesn't to me

1439
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,319
where they are and why they're there and

1440
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,839
i tried to work out whether they were us

1441
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,359
marine corps harriers because as two

1442
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:31,359
other air arms fly that fly that that

1443
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,079
the harrier

1444
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,520
and it was the us marine corps or the

1445
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,280
spanish navy and

1446
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,800
as far as i'm aware and i mean i've got

1447
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:39,440
records that go back to 1919 of uh which

1448
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,920
like in

1449
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,400
aircraft enthusiast magazines which are

1450
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,680
basically your spotters

1451
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,359
you know for one of a better phrase but

1452
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,960
they're really talented people in terms

1453
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,720
of getting writing down information

1454
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,880
and knowing stuff about bases and i know

1455
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,240
some of these people anyway from

1456
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,240
my days you know in researching and

1457
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,319
photographing aircraft back then

1458
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:58,559
so i had i had no idea that so we're

1459
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,920
talking about harrier jump sets that

1460
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,119
weren't british we had

1461
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,640
spa could yeah but that's that's a

1462
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,160
possibility i mean you've got to chase

1463
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,599
down all these possibilities

1464
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,680
just because you know the harriers

1465
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,680
everybody assumes that they're rf

1466
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,520
well that's not neces that's not

1467
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,040
necessarily the case

1468
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:15,119
because funnily enough at the time there

1469
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,319
was a u.s um

1470
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,400
marine corps outfit offer an assault

1471
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,520
carrier in

1472
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,640
um of west africa

1473
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,359
about that kind of time so i'm not

1474
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,960
saying they were involved but you know

1475
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,480
these are the possibilities

1476
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,240
that you've got to chase down and you've

1477
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,760
got to rule out

1478
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,119
you know it's it's like all it's the

1479
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:34,319
sherlock holmes thing isn't it you're

1480
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,359
going to rule everything out until

1481
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,640
what's left is the

1482
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,480
you know is the option kind of thing so

1483
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:40,079
i think that's what i what i've seen

1484
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,400
from

1485
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,240
both the calvin and the cosford case is

1486
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,839
that people get to that level where it

1487
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,079
becomes a little bit blurred

1488
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,760
so they go with the data to that level

1489
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:49,359
but then when they when they hit that

1490
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,319
brick wall they then

1491
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,839
jump into they'll try to jump into

1492
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,280
something else they jump into just

1493
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:54,720
something well i'm going to believe that

1494
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,040
next

1495
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,680
step to the case itself you know it goes

1496
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:58,400
to

1497
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,480
factual data and something and that's

1498
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,760
what

1499
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,440
becomes the issue because then people

1500
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,440
then spread information based on

1501
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,920
something that is beyond the evidence

1502
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,520
and the brick wall that we all kind of

1503
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:13,680
seem to hit when we do that research and

1504
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:16,160
i mean i find that frustrating because

1505
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,800
yeah i see

1506
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,640
i see that every day unfortunately it's

1507
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,400
part and possibility it is yeah very

1508
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,599
possibly

1509
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:23,040
i've stopped responding to it because

1510
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,480
it's not my job to kind of correct

1511
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,160
people anymore it's kind of like do your

1512
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:27,520
research

1513
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,510
i think with the cosford case um people

1514
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:35,200
should go and look at david clarke's

1515
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:39,280
website drdavidclark.com.uk because he's

1516
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,319
done a very good

1517
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,960
breakdown of the cosplay incident i keep

1518
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,559
getting told about dr david clark he's

1519
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:45,839
in the same city as me i think it's

1520
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:48,720
about time i really reached out to him

1521
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,960
my lecturer yeah

1522
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,400
side of things that's why he likes the

1523
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,640
ufo kind of angle because it's all

1524
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,720
to him it's all stories and it's my

1525
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,559
actually modern folklore

1526
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,160
wasn't he the guy that got contacted

1527
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,760
about the uh renaultship case to do with

1528
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,559
the sas hoax and that though

1529
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,960
i think so he was the guy that got

1530
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:11,920
contacted by

1531
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,960
the sas to say this is the hoax on on

1532
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,559
you know it was the sas that just pulled

1533
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:18,240
a prank on the british military to do

1534
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:18,960
with

1535
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,760
shining rights i don't think he put any

1536
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:23,839
credence behind the witness though

1537
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,040
no but that's the thing oh yeah that had

1538
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,200
no backup to what was said but i think

1539
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,839
he he put it out there initially i think

1540
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:33,200
there was a little bit of controversy

1541
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,079
there and

1542
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,920
it may be just slightly muddied waters

1543
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,680
and it kind of got left behind but

1544
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,599
when i've looked into that when i looked

1545
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,800
into that that

1546
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,960
theory that that was a possibility it

1547
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,119
always led back to him

1548
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,200
and so knowing that he's down the road

1549
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,720
and i could possibly just

1550
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,960
message him in i've had people go david

1551
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:52,079
clark's down the road for you why don't

1552
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,200
you speak to him i'm like

1553
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,720
i need to just look a little bit deeper

1554
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,640
into the possibility of

1555
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,760
what he thinks about this um

1556
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,319
case with rental ship with the sas

1557
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,680
because i think he

1558
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,040
he actually put it out to some of the

1559
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,280
mainstream media things

1560
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:09,040
um and that means yeah i think he was if

1561
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,319
you think he just believed it straight

1562
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,839
away and

1563
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,559
i'm not sure because if people don't

1564
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,839
people don't know

1565
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,280
you know kind of like what we're talking

1566
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:20,000
about um the sas

1567
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:23,680
were supposedly tasked with trying to

1568
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,040
infiltrate um bent waters or woodbridge

1569
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,559
in august 1980

1570
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,480
um you know just to test the american

1571
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,079
defense and see if they're aware

1572
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,520
you know see if they're you know on

1573
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,280
their toes which they were and they call

1574
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,880
the sas quite quickly

1575
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,040
yeah so the sas weren't too happy about

1576
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:44,319
this and the story is that they kind of

1577
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,400
concocted this plan to go back in

1578
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,160
december christmas while it's quiet

1579
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,680
there's a few personnel on the base

1580
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,760
everyone's getting you know enjoying the

1581
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,359
festive season

1582
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,040
and they were supposed to go in there

1583
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,000
with like flares and torches and

1584
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,319
you know all this kind of stuff just to

1585
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:04,240
yeah as you say prank the americans

1586
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,760
but whether that actually happened

1587
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,680
who knows we've only got this one guy

1588
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,680
who's come forward and said

1589
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,480
yeah yeah and i'm not calling out david

1590
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,599
clarke either but that's

1591
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,599
kind of what the impression i get from

1592
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,680
looking at

1593
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:22,319
media articles obviously um and it goes

1594
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,359
back a few years

1595
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,280
um i i mean the next step really would

1596
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:27,200
be to reach out to him and everyone

1597
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,559
i'm literally getting pestered every day

1598
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,319
to do it so i guess i should do

1599
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,720
before forming conclusions so david

1600
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,160
clark if you're watching this i'm i'm

1601
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,000
not calling you out my friend

1602
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:38,240
we did have him on um on that ufo

1603
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,280
podcast and

1604
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,880
he was actually a really really great

1605
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:43,920
guest because while he does talk about

1606
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:47,119
you know that and the the pranking

1607
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,270
his angle was that something anomalous

1608
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,319
happened

1609
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,880
and a lot of crap has been piled on top

1610
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,040
of it over the years

1611
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,720
sounds like which is kind of kind of

1612
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,240
like what graham has said you know

1613
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,640
it's modern kind of storytelling

1614
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,319
folklore isn't it and

1615
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:11,119
we all have opinions on randall chum but

1616
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,920
there there is

1617
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,680
so much you know even the binary stuff

1618
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,280
got added years later

1619
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:17,680
of course yeah and and it's a it's all

1620
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,040
it's a really compelling

1621
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,559
cool case but you know

1622
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,480
it would be great if we had a time

1623
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,839
machine so we could just go back

1624
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,760
and solve it once and for all you know

1625
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,280
the police officer that came forward as

1626
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,880
well and said he

1627
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,720
parked his patrol car at the bottom of

1628
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,240
one of the runways and that

1629
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,000
accounted for the blue and red flashing

1630
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:37,200
lights that they were seeing through the

1631
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,280
tree

1632
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:39,599
[Music]

1633
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,200
okay i mean i spoke to um

1634
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,119
i spoke to gary hastan a few weeks ago

1635
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,880
and i didn't grill him on it too much i

1636
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,079
think i got the impression that he

1637
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,839
wanted to wait until his new documentary

1638
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:51,760
comes out in

1639
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,040
whenever it is some

1640
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:57,520
pictures or some video footage he seems

1641
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,160
to

1642
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,160
yeah and i like gary he's a great guy

1643
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,000
whether whether his story is something i

1644
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,319
can get on board with or not i

1645
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,880
still think he's a nice bloke but i got

1646
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,160
the impression that i shouldn't ask

1647
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,680
questions until

1648
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,599
six twelve months down the line when his

1649
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:15,280
documentary finally comes out and he's

1650
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,400
got some

1651
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,359
new evidence to back up some of these

1652
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,880
crazy conspiracies and

1653
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:24,000
i mean yeah

1654
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,440
i think we're all on the same page on

1655
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,280
that like that's a big

1656
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:30,240
statement or a big ask to to really back

1657
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:30,480
up

1658
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,839
something that's almost been proven to

1659
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:34,160
be

1660
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,599
nonsense dare i say it i mean

1661
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:39,040
yeah the main problem with that

1662
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,040
documentary is the witness involved

1663
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,240
um who has been

1664
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:50,079
outed as kind of embellishing his

1665
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,040
involvement

1666
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:53,359
yeah and that's the thing i don't know

1667
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,400
english people are going to be

1668
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:56,000
diplomatic about how i talk about it

1669
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,640
because like i

1670
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,960
say i like gary he's a great bloke and i

1671
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,119
don't want to

1672
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:03,520
uh discredit it as well discredit him as

1673
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,319
a person and

1674
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,839
maybe even the stuff he's doing with isa

1675
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:07,839
and that but we have to be cautious

1676
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,720
about the stories

1677
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,240
going back to reynoldsham and exactly

1678
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,400
what you just said then dave that

1679
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,920
it almost needs to be almost proven that

1680
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,680
the embellishment is

1681
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,839
legitimate you know yeah i mean it's

1682
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,040
like um

1683
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,400
what's happening with the travis walton

1684
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:22,319
case now as well mike rogers has come

1685
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,200
out and

1686
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:26,160
you know he's got a grudge for some

1687
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,280
reason

1688
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:29,520
uh been left out with so half money

1689
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,319
cough

1690
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:33,040
well i i mean i spoke to uh i spoke to

1691
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,079
erica luke's and

1692
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,680
scott brown the day after they did their

1693
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,000
second video the other night and

1694
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,160
my brain is fried on that case right now

1695
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,240
i don't know what to believe it is

1696
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,920
so up in the air right now it's a

1697
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,839
complicated one

1698
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,440
this is it's a really great example of

1699
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,200
why we just need kind of

1700
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:51,520
short sweet little data packages of this

1701
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:52,319
is

1702
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,680
eight hours of something that still

1703
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,680
doesn't give you any kind of conclusive

1704
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,520
direction and stuff it just muddies the

1705
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,760
waters and

1706
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,680
the work that scott brown and erica do

1707
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:10,559
and they are good i respect them but

1708
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,839
they can't give answers because they

1709
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,839
don't know and i think even

1710
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,440
you know there's one interview where

1711
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,960
it's mike rogers for two hours and then

1712
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,640
he goes on to ryan gordon for two hours

1713
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,200
so two

1714
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,720
completely conflicting things for two

1715
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,200
hours at the end of four hours

1716
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,720
whose brain is ever going to be in any

1717
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,319
kind of conscious state to understand

1718
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:27,760
one or the other it's it's

1719
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,400
bananas you know some someone i was

1720
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,680
thinking about the other night along the

1721
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,960
lines of this but not

1722
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,480
specifically to do with the travis

1723
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,119
walton case was we have all these famous

1724
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,599
cases in ufology whether the abduction

1725
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,760
cases or just craft landing or just

1726
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,040
general cases

1727
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,960
what happens if one of them one of the

1728
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:47,040
famous ones turned out to be a sack of

1729
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,160
[\h__\h]

1730
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:51,040
what would what kind of ramifications

1731
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:51,520
would be

1732
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,760
going to make you question

1733
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,240
every single case exactly and there will

1734
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,760
be one no doubt there is

1735
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:01,680
just complete you know bollocks or

1736
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,950
there will be there will be won't there

1737
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:09,040
be one of them which everybody will be

1738
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,920
fooled by

1739
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,520
you know i can't tell you which one off

1740
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,440
the top of my head but there will be one

1741
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:15,280
which is completely and utterly made up

1742
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,640
and somebody and they've done it for one

1743
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,799
of them whatever reasons and as he says

1744
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,520
just had little

1745
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,359
layers and layers of rubbish just pile

1746
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,799
on top of it to the point of where it's

1747
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,000
so obfuscated

1748
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:26,559
that nobody knows truth fiction lies

1749
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:27,280
whatever

1750
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,839
but somehow it comes out as yeah it's

1751
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,640
rubbish

1752
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,640
and then how how does where does that

1753
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:34,240
leave us you know

1754
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,920
as you say we'll just start chasing our

1755
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,839
tails when we it's yeah it puts us back

1756
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,680
to square one again really you know

1757
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,280
and you know in terms of like the

1758
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,960
skeptics out there it just fuels the

1759
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:43,760
fire again

1760
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,960
you know yeah it's just gonna it's just

1761
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:48,480
a frustrating time if that happens

1762
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,960
really

1763
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,480
i i don't think it puts us back to

1764
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,240
square one it just makes us then jump

1765
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,000
back to the things that the ua ptf are

1766
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:56,400
doing where they only went back to 2004.

1767
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:59,839
it's like let's erase the muddy waters

1768
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,880
before 2004 for a while

1769
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,799
focus on the stuff that you a ptf are

1770
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,960
doing from 2004 onwards where we've got

1771
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:08,880
data and stuff and maybe that will come

1772
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,680
out

1773
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:12,000
then let's go back to the previous data

1774
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:12,799
when we maybe

1775
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,520
have got a uaptf that uh fully funded

1776
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,200
and fully staffed that can actually look

1777
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,960
back on that with

1778
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,079
with time and money and resources and

1779
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,599
stuff where they don't get pushbacks

1780
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,119
from

1781
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:27,040
the air force or whoever i mean we're

1782
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,160
talking about

1783
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,920
serious pushbacks because we know the

1784
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,440
air force are really

1785
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,440
holding back from giving any information

1786
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,359
and i know i've just jumped from

1787
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,040
what you were saying graham about

1788
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,880
stories from the past to

1789
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,480
what we're talking about modern times

1790
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:42,000
and that but i think that's where the

1791
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:42,960
disconnect

1792
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:46,079
really is emphasized right now in

1793
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:47,440
everything that everybody's talking

1794
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:47,920
about

1795
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,640
whether you're into this subject deeply

1796
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,400
like researchers are or whether you're

1797
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,160
just following it through

1798
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,400
you know some of my family members maybe

1799
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:58,000
who who happen to see it in the media

1800
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,440
when they're reading the daily mail or

1801
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,119
something like that you know

1802
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,359
god forbid the star or or the sun you

1803
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,040
know like

1804
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,920
unfortunately you know i don't think i'm

1805
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:09,119
far from

1806
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,200
the everyday person you know so

1807
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,599
2017 changed a lot didn't it well that's

1808
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,880
the thing maybe we could just

1809
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,799
expand on that a little bit i mean i

1810
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,559
don't want to just directly just go

1811
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:22,240
what are your thoughts on the ua ptfe

1812
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:23,119
books i think that's quite

1813
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:24,319
straightforward but

1814
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:25,520
when we're talking about the the

1815
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,160
conscious thing of everybody in

1816
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,240
this country in the uk and everyone in

1817
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,240
the us and what we're expecting next

1818
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,079
it's about the conversation about the uk

1819
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:36,319
and where things can go from here where

1820
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:36,799
where

1821
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:39,760
going to get congressional hearings how

1822
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:40,000
do we

1823
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,359
get public hearings how are we going to

1824
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:43,119
get this or that where where where are

1825
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,670
well this isn't the big question now

1826
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:53,280
isn't it you know we had that really

1827
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:54,799
great article from uh

1828
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,839
chris mellon i i say well

1829
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,319
i don't want it i'm so glad to see a lot

1830
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:01,920
of you guys reposted that as well

1831
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,319
because

1832
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,559
it's a great article and you know he

1833
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:06,400
backs up what he said basically on rogan

1834
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:07,839
a while back where uh

1835
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,240
he proposed the office of strategic

1836
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,839
anomaly resolution

1837
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,160
um and that they would just deal with

1838
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,920
this on a day-to-day basis

1839
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:18,000
um and he he of course went into a lot

1840
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:19,520
more detail about it

1841
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:22,240
um and i have no doubt that had he

1842
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,799
written

1843
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,920
that in like you know tomorrow that

1844
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:27,680
he would have had a paragraph on avila

1845
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,559
webb and the galileo project as well

1846
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,640
well i'm glad you brought that up yeah

1847
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,480
because that i mean that's wonderful

1848
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,280
because

1849
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:37,359
it's like the ua ptf they're kind of

1850
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:38,720
saying you know what we want our own

1851
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,520
data set

1852
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,599
we don't want any that involves the

1853
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:43,119
stories

1854
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,640
from the past or kind of the muddy

1855
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:46,319
waters we're going to build our own

1856
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,440
robust data set

1857
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,040
and we're going to be talking about that

1858
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:51,280
so when when we have the conversation

1859
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,559
about uap

1860
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,799
we're not arguing about whether mike

1861
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:57,039
rogers and travis walton disagreed over

1862
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:57,760
a paycheck

1863
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:00,480
you know yeah but what we need is time

1864
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:01,920
and we need fully funded

1865
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:04,559
task force like the ua ptf to be brought

1866
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:05,599
out to

1867
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,720
a big a bigger staff base let's say

1868
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,720
but be able to go back in time to to

1869
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:12,400
touch on the air force

1870
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:15,920
or i don't know

1871
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:21,990
i've just hit a blank uh department of

1872
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,480
energy

1873
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:24,640
and department of homeland security and

1874
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:26,079
things that really aren't

1875
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,760
not just the navy is where i'm kind of

1876
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:30,000
coming from you know i think the 180

1877
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:30,960
days was a

1878
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,359
was a joke in a way for what i've heard

1879
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,640
was a couple of people

1880
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:36,640
basically nowhere near enough time to

1881
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:39,280
get the information we need really

1882
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,720
no and they changed the staff members

1883
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:42,799
halfway through as well so yeah exactly

1884
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:46,000
so it's 90 days yeah yeah

1885
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,359
you get the feeling it was almost set up

1886
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,119
to fail wasn't it it was

1887
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:52,240
it was yeah yeah so i mean um we've

1888
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:52,799
heard about

1889
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:55,039
possibly being a 90-day report after the

1890
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:56,079
report i mean

1891
01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:59,599
but then again so they said they were

1892
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:00,839
going to give congress an

1893
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:04,480
update um and i basically i can't

1894
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,200
remember how long

1895
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,200
the update was but i started a countdown

1896
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,119
because i like my countdowns

1897
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:12,160
i love your camera and we are

1898
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,760
it'll happen in the next 59 days oh okay

1899
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:17,440
i'm looking forward to this yeah but do

1900
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:17,839
we do

1901
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:20,480
do we sit back and wait 59 days or do we

1902
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,440
dig in

1903
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,280
it's a congressional update so i'm not

1904
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,960
even sure we'll get anything you know

1905
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,240
it's just one of those things that we

1906
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:27,599
kind of have to stand outside in the

1907
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,880
cold and go okay

1908
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,400
we we kind of have faith that you're

1909
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:33,039
doing it but please don't lie to us

1910
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,720
yeah and we're not even asking them to

1911
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:36,079
go back and look at like civilian

1912
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,440
sightings or anything but when it comes

1913
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:39,280
to people like we need to

1914
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,720
the air force needs to be put on the

1915
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:42,480
spot a little bit more are they willing

1916
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:44,000
to do that it doesn't seem like

1917
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:45,920
it i mean what have they got over the

1918
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,559
over the ig and people like that who

1919
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,559
really have the power to dig into that

1920
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:53,119
that background like why are they not

1921
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,400
why do they not seem to be doing

1922
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:56,000
anything about it

1923
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,359
that's what baffles me you know you know

1924
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:01,680
we've got these new new new young guns

1925
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:02,799
in

1926
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,920
to the public and that

1927
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:09,359
they have the power to do a little bit

1928
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:11,039
more than what it seems that they've

1929
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:11,520
done

1930
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,720
in the past few years and it there's a

1931
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:16,400
disconnect there that i can't seem to

1932
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,880
grasp

1933
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,880
and so i don't know if you guys have any

1934
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,920
thoughts on that at all

1935
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,680
do you think maybe the us air force is a

1936
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:23,119
little bit embarrassed for starting it

1937
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:23,760
all off

1938
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,760
absolutely and of course and i think

1939
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:27,359
that's a part of it and then they they

1940
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:28,720
will have to then come out and

1941
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:31,039
explain why they've lied for 70 years or

1942
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:31,760
whatever it is

1943
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,319
like isn't it better now than five years

1944
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:36,079
10 years because it just keeps building

1945
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:36,880
up and looking up

1946
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,200
what would you prefer vinnie you know

1947
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,720
for them to come out and go you know

1948
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:44,400
what we're embarrassed and we don't know

1949
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:45,520
anything

1950
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,160
or would you prefer yes we know

1951
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:49,760
everything we've got all the answers and

1952
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,280
we can keep you safe

1953
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,480
which would you prefer first one

1954
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,640
yeah definitely definitely that's what i

1955
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:58,400
think anyway i think that i think they

1956
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:59,520
generally don't know what they're

1957
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,480
looking at i think they've gone

1958
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,880
out they've got information but my my

1959
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:04,720
opinion is uh you know that's all they

1960
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,200
have

1961
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,119
but that that information doesn't

1962
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,119
actually you know translate to knowledge

1963
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:11,920
about what's going on you know so that's

1964
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:12,799
always been

1965
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:16,079
pretty great i i'm i'm not

1966
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,599
i i don't mind i didn't answer that

1967
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:21,839
naively either because i've thought

1968
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,640
about that

1969
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:24,880
for so long because taking them down for

1970
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,400
that you know because we hear about that

1971
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,880
national defense and national security

1972
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:31,280
question all the time and people

1973
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:32,880
i have to answer it a hundred times a

1974
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,640
day through my instagram dms and stuff

1975
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,960
like that i've looked into it and

1976
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,799
thought about it on a philosophical

1977
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:40,319
level on a

1978
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:45,599
dod have been doing their thing

1979
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:49,680
for for for generations you know so

1980
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,000
uh yeah yeah i'd rather take the risk

1981
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,160
and just get get it out there

1982
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:55,920
take it take another level and take it

1983
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,079
up to the president

1984
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,839
yeah exactly rip off the band-aids we'll

1985
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:01,599
deal with it we'll do a bit in time you

1986
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:02,240
know

1987
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,839
and all

1988
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,119
the presidents in the past who have gone

1989
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,720
into office and said i'm going to find

1990
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:10,319
out about this you know clinton did that

1991
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:11,599
even jimmy carter did

1992
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,880
it now imagine that you know kevin

1993
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:16,319
randle i mean little i hate him

1994
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:18,160
actually has a reasonably good theory

1995
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,680
about what happens

1996
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,839
and he says that they'll get into office

1997
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:23,280
and the first thing they'll do is say

1998
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,400
i want to know everything about the

1999
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,480
subject yeah and the staff oh and the

2000
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:28,079
senior advisors will come along go yes

2001
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,960
mr president

2002
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:30,559
we'll go away and we'll find that for

2003
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,920
you and then they come back a little bit

2004
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:33,119
later and they say well what's the

2005
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,880
situation have you found anything yet

2006
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:36,079
yeah it's going to take a little bit of

2007
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,920
time mr president we're going to have to

2008
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,960
we're going to have to like you know

2009
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,319
work at it because we haven't got all

2010
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,599
the information yet

2011
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,280
and then he goes away and forgets about

2012
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:44,720
it because all these other things happen

2013
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:45,680
you know there's things in the middle

2014
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:46,480
east

2015
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:47,760
at home and all the rest of it and of

2016
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:49,119
course it's just the natural way that

2017
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:50,720
politics work just takes his attention

2018
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,359
away

2019
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:53,200
um so that's that's where he comes from

2020
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:54,960
and actually i probably i subscribe to

2021
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,520
that

2022
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,960
quite a lot because you can see with

2023
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:58,880
other parts of politics people come into

2024
01:07:01,589 --> 01:07:00,000
into you know power

2025
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,599
with all these kind of grandiose ideas

2026
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:02,559
about what they're going to do what

2027
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,599
they're going to change

2028
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:05,200
and then you get there five years down

2029
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:06,720
the line and they've done nothing of the

2030
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:07,359
kind

2031
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:09,039
because everything else takes that you

2032
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,400
know that takes their attention and

2033
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:12,079
takes that priority away and i think

2034
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:13,280
it's pretty much the same with this as

2035
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,680
well

2036
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:15,200
so you know people who think oh the

2037
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:16,480
president will be able to find out all

2038
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:16,799
this

2039
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,960
i mean i mean they're only there for

2040
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:23,839
about four

2041
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:26,319
four eight years potentially so i mean

2042
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:28,160
how much have they actually told

2043
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,359
you know that's right and two of those

2044
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:32,160
years old dealt with midterm elections

2045
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,280
and the next elections

2046
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,880
they've only got pretty much two years

2047
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,319
the first and the third years

2048
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,520
when they can actually do anything i

2049
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:39,599
think so yeah it's uh it's really

2050
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,400
difficult

2051
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,920
so we shouldn't expect too much from

2052
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:43,440
them i'm afraid

2053
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,280
that that's what delighted me about

2054
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,720
obama's comments

2055
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,799
because he seemed to you know he spoke

2056
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,319
with gravitas on it

2057
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:52,319
it wasn't just more than what he's

2058
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:53,599
telling us yeah

2059
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,480
and i i he he rocks it as well the just

2060
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,400
the gravity of what he was saying

2061
01:08:01,829 --> 01:08:00,880
you know he cut into a joke to go no no

2062
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,839
no

2063
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,839
for real there are things out there that

2064
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,359
we don't know what is it he said

2065
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:08,240
we don't know the pattern the way he was

2066
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:10,160
talking about it you could tell he was

2067
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:10,480
he

2068
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,680
saying though definitely

2069
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,359
yeah i think so i'm just gonna take one

2070
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,199
second shower anybody that's just

2071
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:19,199
provided with a superchat i

2072
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,640
i normally call you guys out but i've

2073
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,239
been so involved in this conversation i

2074
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:24,400
apologize if i've missed your super chat

2075
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:25,759
and i also want to give a shout out to

2076
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,759
mr jeff robert blask for sending the

2077
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:29,279
t-shirts through we

2078
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:32,159
we're doing a merge plug tonight so uh

2079
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,640
um

2080
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,400
yeah so thank you guys i appreciate

2081
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,239
everyone being here and

2082
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,880
yeah jeff's just put about the doe

2083
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:40,799
having new interesting projects being

2084
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:41,359
funding

2085
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:44,400
and one thing that um

2086
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:48,080
i kind of tried to follow i i i spoke to

2087
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,759
um luis jimenez i was on the

2088
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,359
unidentified celebrity review

2089
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,000
probably a month or two back and um i

2090
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:55,440
apologize for getting the name of the

2091
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:56,400
gentleman that was on

2092
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,759
with at the time who was who worked for

2093
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,799
the department of energy and i

2094
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,159
questioned him about the um

2095
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,239
the oversight and things like that and

2096
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,920
it became very clear that when you

2097
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:07,600
compare the doe to the dod

2098
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,560
the oversight comparisons are ridiculous

2099
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:12,480
that the doe have have gone

2100
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,040
decades being able to get away with

2101
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,279
murder you know well they have a

2102
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:21,359
internal review process right so

2103
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,839
it's kind of like are we behaving yes

2104
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:24,799
yes we are

2105
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,839
on homework yeah exactly isn't it and i

2106
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,799
think i think i

2107
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,480
actually heard that that's actually

2108
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,560
there are people within the pentagon or

2109
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,719
within those realms of of the defense

2110
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:36,159
department that are actually trying to

2111
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:36,960
change that

2112
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:40,319
process now well the ig um when the ig

2113
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:41,359
first popped up

2114
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,480
um and i went on the website there was

2115
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:46,080
a report which i've tried looking for

2116
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,359
this and i'm not going to say there is

2117
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,600
disappeared i just can't find it

2118
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:52,319
um but basically it was saying that this

2119
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,520
year there was a

2120
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,760
review of their review process in the

2121
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,880
department of energy

2122
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,040
and as of next year they basically will

2123
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:00,960
be under the same review process as

2124
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,229
this is quite interesting timing wise

2125
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,239
that you know your secrets could be

2126
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,239
shared with the other departments

2127
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,800
a lot of things on that concept but go

2128
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:16,800
on dave i'm gonna say can you hear that

2129
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:17,679
noise

2130
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:23,590
[Laughter]

2131
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:26,480
oh oh my gosh but that's the thing

2132
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:28,000
because because they have got away with

2133
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:29,120
so much since

2134
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,040
probably the 70s when they changed from

2135
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,960
the the the atomic energy

2136
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:35,280
energy authority yeah well the 50s

2137
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,320
wasn't it so i mean

2138
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,159
yeah they've had secrets since god knows

2139
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,760
when haven't they yeah

2140
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,760
but then it's you know i i don't

2141
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,960
normally work

2142
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,800
on pure speculation but then you know

2143
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:46,320
when i've done my research over the

2144
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:46,719
years

2145
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,120
and it always is that it is that one

2146
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:51,520
department the doe or whatever that

2147
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,719
that's the one place where my

2148
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,960
speculation lies that's like the elusive

2149
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,520
place

2150
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,600
it is yeah that's where that's where i

2151
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:59,360
hit the brick walls and i'm like i'm

2152
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:02,719
fed up of it to be honest you know so

2153
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:04,159
you know who knows so let's hope what

2154
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:05,760
you're saying dan is right because you

2155
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,080
know

2156
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,719
i heard that probably it was probably

2157
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,840
from

2158
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:11,600
dan can you can you remind me who who

2159
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:13,040
i'm talking about i'm sure you were

2160
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,640
aware of who i was talking about

2161
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:15,920
you're dragging me into it i really

2162
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,790
every now and again kevin childress

2163
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,400
there you go i think it was yeah thank

2164
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,080
you thank you graeme yeah

2165
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:28,640
um yeah it was it was kevin childress um

2166
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,199
and

2167
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,880
i asked him the questions directly as

2168
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,239
well and he gave me those

2169
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:35,040
clear concise answers that really broke

2170
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,600
it down

2171
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,800
to the point where they have so many

2172
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,640
thousands of employees but

2173
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,719
so many minimal people that look at the

2174
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:42,320
oversight of what's going on

2175
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,679
so yeah thank you guys

2176
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,360
it's crazy how different it was from the

2177
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,280
doe to the dod and that really

2178
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:51,600
blew my mind so well it's like trying to

2179
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:52,719
get information out of

2180
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,430
i mean i get asked that question a lot

2181
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,440
like do you think our

2182
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,600
the the mod is still looking into ufos

2183
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,520
and i'm like well yeah i think they are

2184
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:06,000
but yeah you know i don't have any data

2185
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:06,880
you know they were

2186
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:10,159
dropping files and documents every few

2187
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:11,600
years

2188
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,520
whatever it was i don't know was it 2013

2189
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,120
we got the last batch

2190
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:19,199
2009 was the last that was the time when

2191
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:20,400
the ufo death was shot

2192
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,679
i was shut down but it just seemed

2193
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:25,840
before 2009 we were getting things every

2194
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,719
few years like

2195
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:29,040
a little dump here and there and yeah

2196
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,640
yeah and then it and then it stops and

2197
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:32,080
then everyone thinks oh they're just not

2198
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,360
looking into it anymore

2199
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,840
well it never stops so you know surely

2200
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:37,280
they're they're probably looking into it

2201
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:38,560
more and they just found something and

2202
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,920
maybe they just don't want to dump it on

2203
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,239
us i don't know

2204
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:45,040
again i'm cautious about how i i go up

2205
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,239
upon that but

2206
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,840
what do you guys think the house of

2207
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,560
lords um debate the other week

2208
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,320
um you had all these questions coming in

2209
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,159
about the uap topic and then

2210
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,560
you had the boilerplate answer for the

2211
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,960
first couple and then

2212
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,040
baroness course he was like i referred

2213
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,800
to my previous answer i referred to my

2214
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,159
previous answer i reflect

2215
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:07,679
it seems like a panic just stopped

2216
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,880
it was just like one answer it seemed

2217
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:11,600
like digging

2218
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,480
like just keep digging yeah because

2219
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:15,760
they're not gonna move away

2220
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,280
50-year kind of thing where we've never

2221
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,800
seen anything which is of defense

2222
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,840
interest

2223
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:23,280
that's the line that they just kept

2224
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,880
taking they kept taking and that

2225
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,960
actually goes back to 2009 when the ufo

2226
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,080
desk was shut down

2227
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,840
because that was bob ainsworth who was

2228
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,520
the the labor

2229
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,840
uh minister of defense at the time um

2230
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:35,360
and he that was that they were the words

2231
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,159
he used

2232
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,000
to justify shutting it down because they

2233
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:39,920
wanted to use the money elsewhere

2234
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:42,480
in the mod so that that's you know why

2235
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,040
it was

2236
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:45,120
shut down at the time but they've never

2237
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,080
moved away from that

2238
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,679
and you know and things we've talked

2239
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,120
about the three of us in

2240
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,120
in our group was you know what would

2241
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,760
constitute an item of defense interest

2242
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,360
what kind of threshold have you got to

2243
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:57,120
break through for the mod to take these

2244
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:57,920
things seriously

2245
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,320
and to admit they're taking it seriously

2246
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,320
but then we see the ramping up of the um

2247
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:04,239
the navy in the u.s taking it seriously

2248
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:04,880
and even

2249
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,320
putting in um you know plans for the

2250
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,920
officers and sailors to report these

2251
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,159
things from what i've seen

2252
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,159
that we always follow what the us do so

2253
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:16,000
surely we've almost

2254
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,440
jumped on board what they do and

2255
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,120
probably put something into

2256
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:21,440
into plan for for our sailors and

2257
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,640
military personnel

2258
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:24,719
and there has to be something in place i

2259
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:26,239
mean doesn't it make sense that we

2260
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,679
follow what they do because that's

2261
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,800
always been the case

2262
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,880
or or have they simply just forgotten

2263
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,000
about it and they don't

2264
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,239
interpret it or look into it it just

2265
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:35,920
doesn't seem viable in mind i'd like to

2266
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,679
think that just do it anyway

2267
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:39,280
not just because the americans do but

2268
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,640
because it's something that affects our

2269
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:42,000
airspace and the safety of our

2270
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,199
airmen and uh and our service personnel

2271
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,120
whether the naval army mili you know air

2272
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:48,719
force whatever and you just think it

2273
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,600
would be something that you would do

2274
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,960
because the first duty of the government

2275
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,159
is to defend its country

2276
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,719
so better to be safe than sorry exactly

2277
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,239
yeah so you'd like to think they do it

2278
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,920
for that reason in that reason alone

2279
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,760
and and you know anything that comes

2280
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,679
into cooperation with another country

2281
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:03,120
that's a secondary benefit

2282
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,320
but you'd like to think they actually do

2283
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:06,080
it because it's the right thing to do

2284
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:06,960
yeah

2285
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,239
oh he wouldn't have more success asking

2286
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,239
about the scientific implications rather

2287
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:14,719
than the defense implications

2288
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,199
good point because then that kind of

2289
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,960
diverts the question to a different

2290
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:20,880
minister in a different department

2291
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,679
and they're gonna have to say well if

2292
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,480
they think that

2293
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,120
ufos of uaps are of no scientific

2294
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,800
interest

2295
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:30,000
that's going to make them look very

2296
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:33,520
stupid because clearly they are this

2297
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,440
potential there for clean energy

2298
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:41,440
you know all sorts of other different

2299
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,400
things that you know could help benefit

2300
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,560
our planet at this very moment because

2301
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:48,000
you know we've got wildfires everywhere

2302
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:49,120
greece sardinia

2303
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,719
canada the us you know we've got

2304
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,640
some scientists today have said we're

2305
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:56,400
facing

2306
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:58,719
heat waves of 40 degrees plus in the

2307
01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:59,520
next

2308
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,560
decade or so so wouldn't now be the time

2309
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,320
to be looking into this to try and

2310
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,560
reverse what we've caused in the past

2311
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,840
yeah i mean we need to

2312
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:09,120
all we need to do is look at the recent

2313
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:10,719
flooding across europe and other

2314
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:12,080
countries and stuff there's

2315
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,679
and the heat wave shot into the last

2316
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,840
last few weeks here i mean it's been um

2317
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:17,360
i can't remember the last time it's been

2318
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,040
this hot in the uk you know it's

2319
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,800
it's been crazy oh that's just being

2320
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:22,960
british though

2321
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,840
that's a good point i mean one next

2322
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:27,120
thing i will say is

2323
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,360
in 1994 um the european union

2324
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,560
was going to allocate funds into uap

2325
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:36,480
research

2326
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:40,400
um but it was on the behest of

2327
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,679
two labour mps um glen ford and robert

2328
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:44,960
bose

2329
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,800
who started a press campaign in england

2330
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,880
um to try and stop this because they

2331
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:52,400
said the eu you shouldn't be spending

2332
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,960
money

2333
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,080
on looking for little green men

2334
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,440
uh that's quite funny yeah

2335
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:01,360
i tried to speak gary hesterton about

2336
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,560
that as well and it

2337
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,400
didn't really clarify anything they're

2338
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:06,320
doing as far as this big corporation or

2339
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:07,520
whatever they are

2340
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:09,440
across the globe when when questioned

2341
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:11,040
upon it yeah i didn't get much

2342
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,480
clarification about

2343
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,239
any details and it all just sounded a

2344
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,719
bit glossy

2345
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,400
i don't know it almost sounds like it's

2346
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:20,880
just the ideas are great

2347
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:23,760
and then in practice there's nothing

2348
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,159
there

2349
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:26,320
i don't know no because if you're trying

2350
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,360
to get

2351
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:30,000
you know politicians and you know

2352
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:30,719
military

2353
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,760
staff who are reluctant to talk about

2354
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,920
what we're seeing over in the states

2355
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,600
yeah how are they going to start talking

2356
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,520
about

2357
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:41,840
potential extraterrestrial hypothesis

2358
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:43,920
yeah you can't make that jump it's like

2359
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:46,239
try and go from

2360
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,679
you know the tic-tac to the level of

2361
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,480
consciousness

2362
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,159
needed to be able to see it or to

2363
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,400
interact or to do cd5 in your back

2364
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:56,000
garden or anything like that you're not

2365
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,760
gonna get that huge step in the

2366
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,880
conversation

2367
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,640
there's a career suicide to a lot of

2368
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:03,120
people as well isn't it yeah

2369
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:04,560
the stigma is still there unfortunately

2370
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:06,000
it is and we keep thinking that it's

2371
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:07,360
dropping in that because we're seeing it

2372
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,199
in mainstream media reported here and

2373
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:12,080
there's so far behind it's just crazy

2374
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,719
you know

2375
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,640
you can't the stigma is still there in

2376
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,840
the uk unfortunately

2377
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:17,120
so where do you guys think it's going to

2378
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:18,320
come from do you do you think the

2379
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:19,280
government are going to start

2380
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,640
divulging anymore do you think it's

2381
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,480
going to come from more leagues are

2382
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,159
there jeremy corbell and things like

2383
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,440
that or do you think it's just gonna

2384
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:26,960
come from

2385
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,669
i think it's gonna be a big pincer um i

2386
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:35,360
think we're gonna experience

2387
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,480
seeing some things from the ua ptf some

2388
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:40,320
things from places like the galileo

2389
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,080
project and uapx and

2390
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,320
you know osiris skyhub or all this

2391
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:45,920
wonderful work that's going on great

2392
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:46,480
point now

2393
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:50,000
um uaptx as well but then

2394
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:54,880
we also have like

2395
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,560
you know scientists are deep into the

2396
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,880
whole quantum mechanics thing

2397
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,880
where we're kind of uncovering this

2398
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:02,560
whole universe that we

2399
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,280
kind of didn't really understand um and

2400
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,280
only now we've got people and again i'll

2401
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,280
mention abby because he he talks about

2402
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:11,280
you know that great galileo story where

2403
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:12,640
people refuse to put their eye to the

2404
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,320
telescope because it was such a huge

2405
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:16,000
paradigm shift for them

2406
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:19,040
um and we're kind of experiencing that

2407
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:19,440
with

2408
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:22,719
quantum stuffs as well um that's going

2409
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:25,120
to affect you know not just the soil

2410
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,640
the way we understand the soil beneath

2411
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,400
our feet but also our bodies and the way

2412
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,760
our bodies work and

2413
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:31,199
everything like that and i just think

2414
01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:32,640
that all of these things are just going

2415
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:34,840
to crash together into this just

2416
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,120
huge i mean you know insert

2417
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:41,600
awakening here or you you know something

2418
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:43,199
like that i i don't want to use a word

2419
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:43,679
like that

2420
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,960
but you know they these guys

2421
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:48,480
what what's a good way of putting it

2422
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,000
there will be a huge

2423
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,480
emergent property there you go i'll say

2424
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:54,320
that that makes sense i like that i like

2425
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:54,880
that

2426
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,239
it's kind of being positive but not

2427
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,239
overly positive or or

2428
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,640
too forward thinking without being aware

2429
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:02,320
of the possibilities so you know

2430
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:03,600
i agree with that and i hope you're

2431
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:06,159
right yeah what about you graham what do

2432
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:07,120
you think what do you think's gonna

2433
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,880
happen give us give us six months to a

2434
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:10,560
year maybe two years no i can't give you

2435
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:12,840
time scales i don't bet okay

2436
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:18,080
um yeah

2437
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,760
you know you know the the releases we've

2438
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:21,199
had via jeremy corbell

2439
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,639
i mean they've been great don't get me

2440
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,400
wrong in terms of like us

2441
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,920
debating at length over what they

2442
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:27,280
represent and what you know what they

2443
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,080
are etc

2444
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:30,080
but in terms of the wider public no

2445
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:31,679
attraction whatsoever really to be

2446
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:32,320
honest

2447
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,520
because they don't necessarily

2448
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:35,040
understand what they're looking at and

2449
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:36,400
it's not something that's made people

2450
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,920
start running for the hills

2451
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,760
or talking about it all over social

2452
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,440
media and on the news

2453
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,280
so whilst they're great for the likes of

2454
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:45,440
us you know who are really deeply

2455
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,920
you know invested in this topic it not

2456
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:49,040
so much for elsewhere

2457
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:50,000
you're going to have to have your

2458
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,760
proverbial you know source of landing on

2459
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,280
the white house lawn before you start

2460
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:54,719
getting that level of traction

2461
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,600
through the wider wider population but

2462
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:59,760
in terms of things which will move the

2463
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,239
needle

2464
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,159
the things that dan said the the things

2465
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,679
in the scientific field

2466
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:06,000
and of course in the military field with

2467
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:08,239
the uap task force or whatever it morphs

2468
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:09,360
into

2469
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:11,600
hopefully it does get some kind of

2470
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:13,040
traction within the us

2471
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:16,239
air force and other um you know it gets

2472
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:17,520
information collected from other

2473
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:19,120
platforms some of the things that chris

2474
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,480
mellon were talking about

2475
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,239
uh all these different you know word

2476
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:24,880
salad um arrangements and all these

2477
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:26,800
weird wonderful collections of letters

2478
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:28,480
that mean nothing to the average man in

2479
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,280
the street

2480
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,679
but are really incredible kind of you

2481
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,600
know sort of data collection and vital

2482
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,600
you know national security but also

2483
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,719
geographical

2484
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:38,800
uh climate change you know all these

2485
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:40,159
other kind of topics that they're all

2486
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,960
really really

2487
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:43,040
kind of vital to to be um to get

2488
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:44,159
information from

2489
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,679
but the filters are usually set too high

2490
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:49,280
so that we and all this stuff doesn't

2491
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,800
actually come out i think that's where

2492
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:51,840
the information

2493
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,159
will come but it'll come piecemeal it

2494
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,440
won't come in one big

2495
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:57,440
dollop where everybody goes oh yeah

2496
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,800
that's the answer

2497
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,320
it'll be something that has to be pieced

2498
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:01,920
together and it's still

2499
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,920
that enough it won't be enough to get

2500
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,840
the public on board i'm afraid

2501
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,760
as far as i'm thinking because you know

2502
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:09,440
it's too much of a leap for people it's

2503
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,880
too much of trying to join the dots

2504
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,080
they're putting the um

2505
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,600
you know drawing all the dots together

2506
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,760
to put the jigsaw together it's

2507
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,440
it you can't get to wrap the head around

2508
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,360
around all this it's bad enough for the

2509
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,440
rest of us to do that you're first here

2510
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,520
and and your audience to put all these

2511
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:25,040
pieces together to try and come up with

2512
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,320
a coherent narrative

2513
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:28,639
you put your minds in the in the in the

2514
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:29,760
you put yourself in the minds of

2515
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,400
somebody

2516
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,080
who has no idea about what we're looking

2517
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:34,080
at and expect them to

2518
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:36,880
understand it all you know so yeah i

2519
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,520
might actually

2520
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,400
out that you just gave me a grain

2521
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,760
because

2522
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,679
that really resonated me that might be

2523
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,840
one of my next posts across instagram

2524
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,520
just to to put it out to a lot of people

2525
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:49,120
that really need to hear that kind of

2526
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,920
thing because it

2527
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,440
it's it's giving an answer but not

2528
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:53,520
giving it a definitive

2529
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:54,880
this is where we're going or this is

2530
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:57,120
what we expect that really

2531
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,870
i need you on on quick dial every day

2532
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,400
most of the questions i get across

2533
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:08,239
instagram because that was amazing so

2534
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,440
thank you he's he's he's our

2535
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:13,440
subject matter expert for the uh for

2536
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:14,560
this kind of

2537
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:17,760
thinking listen i see all you guys um

2538
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,920
at uap media uk and as pioneers

2539
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,920
it influenced me from when i started

2540
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:25,600
doing what i'm doing in my work my

2541
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:26,400
research my

2542
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:30,000
social media posts and um i'm very lucky

2543
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,600
to have spoken to dave today

2544
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,760
personally on a phone call and graham

2545
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,840
dan we've had interactions

2546
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:38,000
in the past dan i cannot thank you

2547
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,440
enough for the conversation we had a

2548
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,679
month or so ago on my instagram live for

2549
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,719
an hour or two

2550
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:44,639
that was really great fun people still

2551
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:46,639
talk about that to this day with me in

2552
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:47,040
my

2553
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,040
dm's and it really meant a lot to me

2554
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:50,639
graham you've always been a supporter of

2555
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,639
mine whether it's just been through

2556
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:54,080
watching and listening to things and

2557
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,840
telling me that you you appreciate some

2558
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,440
of the things that i've done that keeps

2559
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,760
pushing me to do what i'm doing because

2560
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:01,520
i've not formed any conclusions in

2561
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:02,800
anything that i look at i

2562
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:06,560
i do the work put in the research do

2563
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:07,280
what i can

2564
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,400
and it pushes me to keep going dave

2565
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,639
your magazine has been something that

2566
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:14,480
really resonated with me from something

2567
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:15,120
that

2568
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,560
just makes me look back at my childhood

2569
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:18,239
from when magazines were the thing where

2570
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:19,520
you got information

2571
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,639
and the way you do it it's almost like

2572
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:24,080
never ending it's timeless

2573
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:25,760
so i cannot thank you enough for that as

2574
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,639
well and i hope that between all of us

2575
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,960
being uk based as well that we can stick

2576
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:32,320
together and maybe even

2577
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:34,080
you know with the end of covert and that

2578
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:35,840
and maybe conferences coming up in the

2579
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:36,320
uk

2580
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,800
in the next year or two really meet up

2581
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:40,000
and

2582
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:44,960
because i i love every every single one

2583
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:46,159
of you and the work that you're doing

2584
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,440
it's going to be important go

2585
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,920
i think in terms of collabs i think um

2586
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,360
going forward i mean

2587
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,440
in terms of the uk especially we need to

2588
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,600
be more together we need to

2589
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:57,600
bring people together were a bit far

2590
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,040
behind in terms of the us

2591
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,280
in terms of the conversation so it's

2592
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,880
really important that we do come

2593
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,360
come together on this topic but we're

2594
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,600
not behind

2595
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:09,440
you know what they're saying but i know

2596
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:11,040
what you're saying no no and that's what

2597
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,000
i'm saying we're not behind

2598
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:14,800
and everybody i get this every day like

2599
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,000
what what are you british

2600
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,840
doing getting involved in our subject

2601
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:19,679
aliens and stuff i see that all the time

2602
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,400
and

2603
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,800
it really bothers me but we don't have

2604
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,800
like the platform in terms of like the

2605
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:26,480
news and the media we're not

2606
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:28,159
getting the coverage is what the us is

2607
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,040
getting that's what i'm trying to

2608
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,880
explain but yeah but we get it every day

2609
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:32,639
because of the internet so

2610
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:34,639
listen guys we've kept you long enough i

2611
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,920
hope that we could possibly do this

2612
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:37,440
again whether it be individually

2613
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,239
or again as a panel of discussion all i

2614
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,920
want to do is thank you so much

2615
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,080
for your time thanks guys i really

2616
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:46,800
appreciate it

2617
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,320
yeah you too guys i mean i'm i'm huge

2618
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,840
fans of yours anyway so

2619
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,760
for me i'm a bit starstruck to see you

2620
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,600
free here

2621
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,120
yeah it's been a pleasure to speak to

2622
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,040
you and just hear your stories yeah

2623
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:01,520
i've had a great time so thank you yeah

2624
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,239
guys

2625
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:04,239
that's been great i mean one thing i

2626
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:05,440
will add is

2627
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:07,120
um i don't know if you saw it jeremy

2628
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:08,480
corbell said there's going to be

2629
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,719
new stuff dropping this week we did oh

2630
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:12,400
really okay

2631
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,840
yeah okay um yeah so we'll say goodbye

2632
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:17,199
to everyone in the chat and if you guys

2633
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:18,080
want to hang out about we'll have a

2634
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,440
little debrief off screen

2635
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:21,600
and be good to say goodbye to you

2636
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,560
privately but

2637
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,000
thank you everyone for watching who's

2638
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:26,000
live everyone that watches this video

2639
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:27,120
after the fact

2640
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:28,320
just know that we're trying to do our

2641
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,400
best here in the uk as well we we

2642
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,159
we really do care about this subject as

2643
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:34,000
much as anybody in the us or anywhere in

2644
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,719
the world

2645
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,040
so thank you for watching and then yeah

2646
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,800
we'll we'll do this again soon so

2647
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:41,120
so yeah take care guys and um i'm

2648
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,800
probably gonna go live on instagram

2649
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,880
in 10 minutes so come and jump on there